The One Ring: GREEN DRAGON INN - Second Round!
Post 1
JewelSong
Date Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2003 4:48 am
And drinks are on me! Connie was going to make the new Dragon last night, but she must have become distracted and now we're up to 101 pages. So I have taken the liberty!
Jewel looks around at the place. It looks startlingly similar to the old joint, but the bar is a bit bigger and there seems to be several new kinds of ale in the kegs. Also, the kitchen facilities have apparently been expanded and there is a small raised area in one corner where a huge upright piano sits, along with what looks like some kind of double bass and perhaps a guitar.
But the dear old oak tables are the same, and the company is the same wonderful group of folks as before!
Wendy asked me about the extended DVD. (YES! Mine arrived early!) Some initial reactions...
I have to say I was blown away! 
Of the 43 extra minutes, I would say at least half-an-hour of footage belonged in the TE - and if PJ had been "allowed" to make a movie that was 30 minutes longer, he most likely would have included it. Many of the extended scenes served to add more depth to the characters.
Scenes that struck me:
*The opening scene with Sam and Frodo and the Elven rope. Worth it just to hear Frodo say "My dear Sam..."
*The scene with Gandalf and Aragorn, which includes the line about "Saruman fears you; he fears what you may become..." This scene pulled several story lines together - the reason for Merry and Pippin being in the forest and Frodo's quest. I was also thrilled to have the bit where Gandalf finds out Sam went with Frodo and see Gandalf's reaction...very nicely done.
*The "extra" scene with Merry and Pippin and the orcs...makes their capture seem much scarier and establishes Pippin's dependence upon Merry. Gives a little boost to Merry's character, too. ("I was acting...fooled you, didn't I?" as he tries to reassure Pippin that he is okay. )
*I loved, loved, loved the "Flotsam and Jetsam" scene. Great to have hobbits acting like hobbits.
*Huorns!!! Excellent!
And Faramir. ALL the "new" Faramir stuff was suberb and really helped to solidify his character and make sense of his actions. In addition, Frodo's scenes with Faramir show a more steely and resolved Frodo, which improves Frodo's character as well. The final scene with Frodo, Sam and Faramir is terrific for all 3 of them. (I love that they put the line in about "gardeners must be held in high esteem" - and Sam's modest reaction.)
I haven't even TOUCHED the appendices yet...maybe this evening. Or maybe I'll watch the movie again...
Post 2
ConnieMarie
Date Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2003 6:52 am
JewelSong --Thank you, dear friend. I came upon that pic of Frodo in Cirith Ungol and I fear I forgot all about my duties. I was definitely preoccupied last night!
The extended TTT sounds AMAZING. I am resolved to go to Suncoast Video today and weep piteously on their counter. I bet they have it...I know they do!
Awwww...I know I ain't gonna get it, but DARN.
Wish I was at Jewel's house --with that BIG TV and that DVD and a whole day to watch and watch and watch...!
*sighs*
Back to looking at that devastating picture of F in CU and contemplating my imminent demise in the movie theater.
Post 3
Shadowfax8
Date Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2003 8:26 am
I can't wait for the EE DVD! Jewel, I have already told you me opinion of you having it early! Thanks for the review!
Ya know, I think I have been remiss in not announcing The Golden Mushroom Awards here! West of the Moon is currently overseeing hobbit-centric fanfiction awards with both general and adult categories. The awards can be found here: The Golden Mushroom Awards. Please stop by and support us by nominating some stories! Thanks!
Post 4
Trasmerg38
Date Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2003 8:47 am
"My dear Sam..." SQUEEEE!!! They put it in!! Thanks for the review Jewel, I just can't wait to see it!!
I did, however, see F in CU..............
................I'm shaking already.....
What an emotional month this is going to be!
Post 5
JewelSong
Date Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2003 6:14 pm
Bumping the Dragon!
'Cause pretty soon everyone will have his or her Extended DVD and then we will have much to talk about!
Post 6
fishy071
Date Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2003 7:58 pm
Thanks for starting the new thread, JewelSong! The SE DVD sounds great. Did you preorder it, and it arrived early?
I went to BestBuy to look at their adds and find their TTT SE DVD price. Later I'm going to try to find Wal-Mart's price fromt eh internet, and buy the one that's cheaper.
I have a midterm Tuesday, so I'll probably by it after classes. I hate my schedule this semester.
101 pages! I saw it only went up to p. 41. Then again, I have it set on 50 posts/pg.
Post 7
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2003 9:18 pm
Oh wow JewelSong, you just made me the happiest hobbit lass on the planet! "My dear Sam." Oh I am getting so excited!!
*Prays fervently for it to be Tuesday RIGHT NOW*
Oh, and thanks for the new thread! The place looks lovely!
Post 8
fishy071
Date Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2003 11:22 pm
It looks like the SE DVD will have more important information to the story.
Post 9
Trasmerg38
Date Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2003 5:52 am
onemoreday-onemoreday-onemoreday-onemoreday-onemoreday-onemoreday-
How 'bout another round to celebrate the new Pub....it'll give us something to do while we wait!!!
onemoreday-onemoreday-onemoreday-onemoreday-onemoreday-onemoreday-
Post 10
pippinsqueak
Date Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2003 6:57 am
Yes, one-more-day, one-more-day! I've been looking forward to this for so long! And planning on taking the car to work Tuesday morning so I can stop at Wal-Mart at 8:00 a.m. when it opens and buy the DVD before work, so I won't have to go after (and so save that precious 15 minutes or so), and go straight home, make my husband go pick up the pizza we're ordering (since he's not interested anyway) and then shoo him out the door to watch the Matrix at the theater, and then watch straight through to midnight or so.
And then . . . and then. . . . my younger daughter looks at me sheepishly last night and says "the 18th is Tuesday, right?"
"Yes," I innocently answer.
"And that's when The Two Towers comes out, right?"
"Yes," I say cheerfully.
She smiles at me, but what she says isn't funny, "Well, sorry to ruin it for you mom, but I have a band concert that night at 7:00."
I'm amazed she doesn't turn tail and make for the hills after delivering that statement. You see, this isn't the first time she and her saxamaphone have interfered with LOTR. Last year she had a band concert exactly one week before Christmas. That's right, on December 18, the night TTT opened. Hmmmmm. I have asked her to confirm that this year she doesn't have a concert on December 17. And it looks like my viewing of TTT EE will have an extended musical intermission.
pip
Post 11
Klonkku
Date Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2003 8:32 am
*Klonkku steps into the inn*
I am, now, in the INN. Oh wait. That's a stupid way to put it. I am innside the in. Yes - much better. Rhymes.
[ sits down, grabs a soda-pop and chimes in to the discussion ]
I am waiting forward to the Extended Edition myself. What day is it today? Wow.. DEAR LORD! It's going to be out TOMORROW! OH SH~~... Money.. I need money...
[ lowes his head and sobs ]
Post 12
Ereshkigal
Taking Crotchety to a Higher Plane
Date Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2003 10:01 am
Hello ladies--I'm a lurker here at the inn, but not a poster. At any rate, on the eve of the TTT-EE release, I thought I would pass around a link from Kallimac showing Frodo in Cirith Ungol. This is, needless to say, a MAJOR SPOILER, so don't look if you want to keep all ROTK a surprise.
http://www.warofthering.net/photoforum/showphoto.php?photo=253
Post 13
WendyLadyofLothlorien
Date Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2003 10:51 am
Jewel,
Hurray !!!...for opening our lovely new Inn It looks fabulous, and hey look...we have scrumpy on tap....we don't have that over here, even in deepest Cornwall !!! How utterly civilised - a pint please !!!
Thank-you for giving us a taster of the long-awaited DVD..I have actually booked three days off at the beginning of next week, (days that I am owed, by the way ) JUST in order to watch my way through the dvd in all its glory, uninterrupted LOTR goodness for three whole days can't wait !!!
Erishkigal and Klonkku...welcome indeed to the Pub !! Always good to have fresh faces around, if you know what I mean..
Carry on posting picture links like that and you'll be in sore danger of making a friend for life here ...What a great pic !!!
By the way, where did you get your respective names, and what do they mean ?...Are they Tolkien related or from some other cryptic source ?
Post 14
Ereshkigal
Taking Crotchety to a Higher Plane
Date Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2003 11:03 am
Mine if from the Sumerian goddess of death, dark sister to Inanna (aka Ishtar). She's not really bad, just misunderstood. 
Yes, I have a dark side.
Opinions on what that mark is on Frodo's shoulder? A sting wound from Shelob, some mark he received in the tower, or--if the frame is reversed--the wound from the ringwraith?
Thanks for the welcome.
Post 15
Trasmerg38
Date Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2003 11:07 am
Ereshkigal, yes...that's the one!!! Makes my heart stop.......But I'll take major spoilers anytime!
Welcome to you, and to Klonkku...just in time for another round and I'm buying!
Pip, why haven't you fed that child to the orcs yet??? 
No, seriously!!
just kidding... I know, maybe the school doesn't have the LotR schedule! No wonder they keep putting these concerts on the wrong day!
Three members of my family work at WalMart, and I'm hoping at least ONE of them will be bringing TTT-EE home with them! I work until 7 tomorrow (major bummers) but they're all excited about seeing it. (yay!!)
Who needs money when you have family!
...they had BETTER bring it, or this mom will go nuts! Yesssss Precioussssss!!!
Post 16
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2003 1:29 pm
Whoa...two new faces!
Ereshkigal: Oh yeah I saw that...all I can say is *meep*
Aww Pip, that's too bad! I know I was prevented from seeing LotR goodness on Dec 18 last year as well, due to a concert. Needless to say I was very angry.
Let's have another round! We'll drown our sorrows until tomorrow!
Post 17
Marea
Date Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2003 2:24 pm
Welcome Klonkku to our Inn-Under-New-Management... I think. (We hobbits don't normally hang out with people coming in under the flag of Mordor but - hey - I'm easy.)
Our soda of choice here tends to be Mountain Dew Code Red (a favorite of the thread's founder)... but we can accomodate most tastes. Gingerbeer anyone?
I have nothing much to say about the TT-EE... except that I will NOT be seeing it until the weekend, because my husband is buying it for me as a birthday gift and unveiling it (so to speak) at my sort-of surprise party which I already guessed he is throwing for me this Saturday. So my weekend plans are set.... nnacking... watching DVD... more snacking... DVD.... birthday cake... DVD....
Will try to stop in here with my first impressions once I have some...
Post 18
ConnieMarie
Date Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2003 2:32 pm
Marea, I don't see how you can STAND to wait! LOL!
I am feeling absolutely tortured and put upon even just having to wait until tomorrow. When the Suncoast Video guy called to say I could pick up my DVD on Tuesday, I blasted 'im.
"Do you know," I demanded, "that New Line Cinema sent out copies to people who ordered them directly FIVE DAYS AGO? My friends have ALREADY SEEN IT?"
"Really?" he replied. "Bummer."
Yeah. Bummer. *snort*
A Code Red would be perfect just about now.
Darn, you guys, I have a new song to share with you, but I'm having a devil of a time getting it to record right. So frustrating!
It's called "Broken (Merry's Lament)", and if you haven't guessed from the title, it's darn angsty. I'll keep trying to get it DONE somehow. I don't know about you, but ROTK-anticipation has me in a pretty angsty place thesedays.
Post 19
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2003 3:24 pm
*Sigh*
I probably won't get to see it until at least Wednesday. But oh well. I suppose I'll wait...if I can survive that long. I'm not exactly in the best of health right now, and could really use the pick-me-up of LotR goodness.
Marea, I am jealous of your patience lol.
Oh Connie, I hope you can get it done! A new song! Yay!
I need a Vanilla Coke.
Post 20
fishy071
Date Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2003 4:06 pm
Welcome Klonkku and Ereshkigal!
Thanks Ereshkigal! Many of the pictures are sad. That’s why I can see ROTK only once.
I hope you can get that song recorded, ConnieMarie!
I will not be able to get the SE DVD until late tomorrow, because of school. I can still wait because I have a midterm. When I get it, I won’t be able to finish it in one sitting because I can’t sit still. I’ll probably split it up over 2 or 3 days.
Post 21
Trasmerg38
Date Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2003 5:10 pm
Oh Fishy, when my dad was here, I got him to watch FotR and TTT...we watched both over the course of 5 days, mostly because of so many things going on, but if I hadn't already seen them both many, many times, it would have drove me nuts! I like to sit and watch from beginning to end...... I hope you do well on midterms!
Connie, you put forth a valiant effort...the dude probably wasn't a fan though, or he woulda set you up.
I can't wait to hear your final version of Broken. I'm making good headway on my new poem, which is also quite angsty...
Boy, the way I'm downing these ales, I hope I'll be able to see straight tomorrow...........fill 'er up!
Post 22
Shadowfax8
Date Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2003 5:47 pm
Shadow joins Traz and Pip at the bar
onemoreday-onemoreday-onemoreday!!!!!! YAY!!!! I will be picking up my copy of the DVD at walmart first thing in the morning (unless I call and they put them out tonight), and I will be leaving work after my 2 PM meeting to come home and bask in TTT glory. I can't wait!!
Jewel, thanks for the lovely review! I can't wait to see "my dear Sam"!!
Pip, I'm sorry about your TTT-interruptus for tomorrow night. I'm with Traz, feed daughter to the orcs, or at least threaten to!
It's getting so close now! Two weeks and 3 days for me! YAY!!! And then there's Toronto... I can't wait to see everyone!
May everyone enjoy a great TTT viewing!
Post 23
fishy071
Date Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2003 8:39 pm
Pippinsqueak, sorry your daughter’s musical performances has to get into your way of TTT. For me it’s school.
Thanks Traz! I’m like that with every movie I rent. I pretty much stop in the middle then come back later.
Shadowfax8, I won’t be getting the DVD until the evening because of school with a hated schedule this semester.
I hate my class schedule this semester. I have class in the morning, and then this big gap before my late afternoon class. That means I wait on campus, doing things all day, or leave and come back later for the class with a hated professor.
Post 24
Orangeblossom_Bumbleroot
Date Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2003 12:30
I forgot that we were due for a new place, but I like it. See what happens when you're gone for a few days?
Thanks for all the congratulations everyone! I'm going to provide a link so you can take a peek at my work, but I need to explain a few things first. My scanner hasn't worked for a while, so I had to take photographs of my paintings, in order to send in my submissions. I got out the handy tripod to attach my camera to, so low and behold, one of the legs was broken. Without going into too much detail, I'll just say I piled up cinder blocks and other things to prop my camera on. Then got the film developed and the prints enlarged, which turn out kinda fuzzy. Considering the looming deadline, I decided to send them in as is. "Namarie" looks fuzzy online, and "The Dragon has Come" was cropped on the top and bottom for some reason. They look better in real life. My scores aren't as high as I was hoping for, but that isn't important.
Anyway,here's the link...http://www.tolkiengathering.com/artgallery/indexnew2.html]
If you have time, check the other work,there're some truly wonderful pieces to look at.
I haven't gotten TTT EE yet. I don't have a DVD player, so obviously I wouldn't be able to watch it. I have FotR EE, and will get TTT EE, but I'm going to get the word out that a DVD player would be a much appreciated Christmas present.
Honeyelf...Do you have e-mail? Maybe we could make plans to get together via e-mail.
Sorry...I haven't figured out how to do the link thing yet. Help!
Post 25
fishy071
Date Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2003 12:36 pm
Sorry to hear about the technical difficulties and not having a DVD player, Orangeblossom_Bumbleroot.
I haven't gotten the SE DVD yet, but that's because I just got out of my midterm, and finally onto a school computer after waiting in line. I'm still on campus because I have something to take care of later. Then I have my later afternoon class with a professor I hate.
Post 26
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2003 12:40 pm
I got it this morning, and wow! WOW!
That's all I have to say about that.
*Runs off to try and get the Gollum statue out of the box*
Post 27
fishy071
Date Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2003 1:35 pm
I won't be getting the gift set, because I can't afford it. Besdies, as a student I have to move often, and the less things the better.
Post 28
Klonkku
Date Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2003 1:48 pm
Thank you for the welcomes...
We shall lurk in the corner for a while, though...
Post 29
ConnieMarie
Date Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2003 3:18 pm
Oh my heavens.
Last night I listened to the entire Annie Lennox song, "Into the West", and sobbed my guts out. You guys...it's killer. Have you heard it yet? It's available on TORN. Ow. Ow.
Today I got my exV TTT and I can't believe how much these added scenes enhance everything. Sam and Frodo's relationship, Faramir's "quality", where that horse connected with Aragorn...LOL! And Merry & Pip! There was so much GREAT stuff about Merry and Pip, both angsty and funny.
I don't know why I'm in here raving about it. I mean, you're all probably home watching it right this very second. *grin*
Just excited, you know? And a bit lonesome. I have become very spoiled, managing most times to arrange some kind of LOTR get-together when premieres of significance occur. Have to think back to when I was watching FOTR originally, all alone, and with no idea any of you were out here. Makes me grateful to have found you all!
Post 30
fishy071
Date Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2003 9:02 pm
ConnieMarie, I'm glad to have met you and others as well. I finally got the DVD, and watched half an hour of it. Then my parents called. I'll continue it later. I can't sit still, so when I rent or buy movies, I don't watch them in one sitting.
Post 31
HONEYELF
Date Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2003 11:10 pm
It's great! I love the new Fro and Sam stuff! And the Merry and Pip stuff is wonderful! I even like the "because my axe is embedded in his nervous system" which is just at tad anachronistic, is it not? But very funny!
One small quibble though: The scene with the salt box. Doesn't it seem like it would have been entirely natural to have Sam talk about his worries of running out of food? And then Frodo saying "what then? Shall we ever have need of bread again? I fear not." And then Sam crying over his hand. I love that bit in the book. Oh well.
Orange Blossom, e-mail me at HoneyElf@thefarmers.org! Can't wait to hear from you!
Hugs,
Honey!
Post 32
fishy071
Date Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2003 2:18 am
Just got through watching TTT SE DVD. I like it better than the theater version. The SE DVD shows more hospitality, important background, and better scenes.
Post 33
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2003 7:30 am
Connie, I know exactly how you feel. A little less than two years ago I was sitting in a movie theater with my jaw on the floor, wondering what kind of a person had the imagination to create something so awesome, and thinking I was the only one who felt that way.
Boy am I glad I was wrong.
I think my favorite added scene is the one in the Marshes, when Gollum complains of being hungry. The look that he shares with Frodo at that moment..."Master knows..."
Oh my.
Post 34
Marea
Date Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2003 1:37 pm
Not to get overly gross or earthy or anything here... but we've all experienced it, right? The situation of needing a bathroom stop VERY VERY much... and you can't have one. Perhaps your husband is trying to set a new record commuting to that relative's house for Thanksgiving, perhaps you are already late to your child's dentist's appointment.... perhaps your boss is talking your ear off with important, last minute instructions...
You need to "go" and yet you can't.... there is a certain level of desperation, and discomfort in the moment....
What if that moment lasted four days?
That's what I feel about the TT-EE. Can't watch it till Saturday. Know my husband bought it... it may even be HERE somewhere!
Last year he hid it in my daughter's bedroom and instructed her to deny all knowledge.
So... it might be under my very roof.... and yet I may not be able to find it....
AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
There. That was better. Going off now to get my blankie and suck my thumb (and perhaps change my own diaper).
Post 35
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2003 2:50 pm
Oh you poor thing. I feel for you, I really do. That has to be terrible.
Have the rest of you heard Into the West yet? Because if you haven't, you need to!
Beautiful. Just...gorgeous.
Edited because the link wouldn't work. 
Post 36
fishy071
Date Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2003 7:56 pm
Marea, why is your husband hiding the DVD from you for days? Why couldn't you both watch it right away?
When the FOTR movie first came out I was dazed and confused. Then I read the books and saw it multiple times. My mom had told me that she wasn't interested and didn't want to touch it. However, when I was in the middle of TTT and watching FOTR a 3rd time in theater, she started to read the books. I asked, "I thought you said you weren't interested in reading or watching," she lied, "I never said that!" However, she said that she didn't find the story interesting, and kept skipping parts. If she didn't like it, then she doesn't have to read it. No one forced her to. I later began to figure out that she was probably trying to finish the books before I did, think "Ha ha! I started later than you, but finished first, you slow and stupid reader," and have one more thing to look down upon me for (which will show in unrelated actions).
When I bought FOTR SE DVD, my dad asked me to bring it with me when I go to their house for Thanksgiving. I did, and when I complained about the changes, they didn't seem to like it. However, they later kept complaining themselves (hypocritic). My dad looks down upon fantasy, and doesn't want to even read the books. He was asking many questions. This year, when I go to their house for Thanksgiving again, my dad wants me to bring TTT SE DVD. My mom had already said that she refuses to watch it. At times, when I talk about Tolkien with my family, I get comments, such as "Ah, who cares," "I'm not interested," etc. I wish I could refrain more from talking about Tolkien in real life. I often have to hide my Tolkien fandom, and save it for here.
I am often afraid of my family finding out about TORC and finding me here, especially since I've said things about them when they upset me. Even if I didn't say things about them, they'll still have complaints to make about my posts and comments. That's why I can't access TORC when I'm with my family.
Post 37
Tanwen_Luthien
Date Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2003 11:17 pm
Tanwen enters, puffed out from running
Sorry I'm late, I got a little lost. Have I missed anything?
Post 38
fishy071
Date Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2003 11:35 pm
You haven't missed anything, Tanwen_Luthien. WE are just talking about TTT SE DVD right now.
Post 39
ConnieMarie
Date Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2003 4:32 am
Marea, if I were you I would be getting frantic. How can you STAND it? You are made of stronger stuff than I. I'd have been reduced to a) issuing threats about the withholding of certain favors; b) pitching a tantrum; c) sneaking about to try to FIND it; or d) going and buying it and secretly watching it in the wee hours.
Just in case you needed any ideas. *grin*
Barkeep, pour that woman another ale. I happen to know she could use one this week!
Here you go, Marea. To Your Amazing Fortitude! *clink*
Post 40
Trasmerg38
Date Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2003 5:36 am
Poor Marea!!! How can you STAND it?!!
I came home from work Tuesday night, hoping it would be there waiting for me...well, much to my disappointment, it was not. I sat and pouted a bit, and hubby asked what was wrong, I said nothing. He continues on his pc...but looks over at me. "Why aren't you online?" he says. "Because everyone is talking TTTEE, and I don't want to read any of it until after I watch it."
"Is THAT why your pouting?!!"
"I'm not pouting", i lied.
"Well I can't read your mind!"
"You KNOW I've been waiting for this movie!!"
"Well then why don't you go get it!"
So I did.
It was too late to watch it by that time, so we ended up watching it last night...it was awesome! I especially loved the extra hobbit scenes...Sam's rope, Pippin "growing", etc. I did kinda hope PJ would have fixed the little blurbs like Pippin's hands becoming untied when the horse was above him, and the "disappearing barrel" when Sam and Frodo were discussing escape from Faramir...but nonetheless, I really enjoyed it. Even Faramir's flashback...well, I could go on and on, but I have to get ready for work. 
ttfn~~
Post 41
JewelSong
Date Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2003 6:11 am
Marea, didn't your husband do the same thing to you LAST YEAR?
Doesn't he understand the concept of an early birthday celebration? Someone should educate that man...
Post 42
Orangeblossom_Bumbleroot
Date Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2003 12:35 pm
Marea...did you look around your house? Everywhere? I mean EVERYWHERE?I'm such a Pandora that I have to look, everywhere, though I must admit that I'm getting better about it and can get myself to wait for certain things. Not this, though. It doesn't make sense, but eventhough I don't have a DVD player I bought TTT EE today. Someday I'll have a DVD player.
Fishy...I don't usually mention anything about LotR around my family, but I had to when I entered the Art Competition, because I didn't feel right about being involved in something like without letting them know. Both of them appreciated being informed about this. I told them how I found out about it, and neither one of them said much, but at this point and after all these years, they should realize I'm a little different. ( Couldn't think of a better adjective to use here.) I'll probably get more questions about it, but finally, after all these years I decided it doesn't matter what they think. I'll respect their point of view, but it won't change who I am or how I think. It took me a looooong time to get to this point.
Post 43
fishy071
Date Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2003 1:47 pm
Happy Birthday Marea!
Orangeblossom_Bumbleroot, I don't mind my family's point-of-views. THey don't have to be interested in Tolkien. It's the way they respond that bothers me. They just have a hard time accepting my Tolkien fandom. I often refrain from talking about Tolkien in real life, but sometimes it just comes out of my mouth. I wish I could always refrain.
Post 44
Marea
Date Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2003 4:04 pm
Some people are not good about different strokes for different folks.
Dragged both my parents to see FOTR (separately.. hey... all the more excuses to go SEE the dang film!). Both loved it, but only got out of it a fraction what we all would have (despite my coaching... really! I actually made up a cheat sheet for my mother!)
Mom loved the hobbits... particularly "that one with the angelic face" (what can I say? She's VERY religious and also bad with names) and the scenic landscapes and sets. But she despised the orcs and what for her was horrific violence (i.e. swordplay that results in bloodshedding... even if it is black orc blood.)
And Dad did NOT fall asleep (an accomplishment for a guy who's dozed in front of screens for most of his live). And proclaim the movie well acted. And get misty eyed at the Bilbo-Frodo scene in Rivendell (could it be that he rather resembles Bilbo these day?)
Dad saw TTT cause he loves war moves of all types... and totally freaked at the charge of the Rohirrim to rescue Helm's Deep! Didn't even bother taking my mother cause this would have not been her thing... more orcs, more blood, all that Helm's Deep stuff... But,
I'm thinking of doing another "cheat sheet" for her and dragging her off to see Return of the King anyway...
The thing is, Fishy, I'm a grown woman who does not need to answer to anyone for my decisions nor apologize to anyone for my tastes... and yet something in me wants very much for my parents to understand WHY the movies and the books affect me so. It is almost as if by understanding THAT, they understand another piece of me they managed to overlook all this time.
Thanks to you all for your sympathy for my plight. The thing is... I LIKE the idea that my husband has turned the release of the Extended Editions of the movies into a private occasion to honor my birthday... it is sweet of him and I appreciate it. If only we could all stay home from school and work RIGHT NOW and sit down attentively to do the works justice... unfortunately, we can't.
Two more days to go... less than that. There is a light at the end of the tunnel....
Post 45
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2003 4:16 pm
fishy that's too bad that your family has trouble coming to terms with your fandom. My family sees it as a kind of weird quirk, but they're nice enough to at least not make fun of it around me. In fact, my family is more like Marea's. They all really enjoy the movies (my dad actually read the book once when he was a kid, though no matter what I do I can't get him to pick it up again), but my sister got through the Hobbit and hasn't shown any interest in picking up LotR. My mom got about 5 pages into the Hobbit and lost interest.
I'm considering just handing her FotR, and tell her to read the Prologue. As much as I like the Hobbit, I realize it isn't for everyone.
But like Marea said, I am (technically now, even though I still live with my parents) an adult, and as much as I realize they will never appreciate it as much as I do, I still want them to...see why I like it. LOL does that even make sense?
Anyway, I need to be off. A friend of mine (a Ringer) is coming over to watch the EE with me. She hasn't seen it yet!
Post 46
Trasmerg38
Date Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2003 5:21 pm
fishy, my dad is sorta like your parents...it wasn't that he didn't like the story, it was more how he reacted to something he didn't even read. He's very anti-wizardy stuff, and when I asked him last year if he ever read them, he said that it was garbage and he didn't read junk about wizards...well! So since then, every time he came down to visit, I would just avoid the subject all together. My dear family, however, would always bring up something in front of him...."look mom, they're doing a Lord of the Rings thing on tv"...."look mom, i got you a LotR button with Frodo on it!"..."look mom!"...etc, etc. And he'd just sit there quietly, not saying anything. Finally, on his last visit, my husband talked him into watching the movies with me. I almost fainted, but was tickled pink! We watched the EE Fellowship, and the theatrical TT....broken into about 5 viewings....but we watched it. After it was done, he said it was pretty good, but he still didn't understand all the hoopla..........I told him the books were MUCH better.
Marea, I tip my hat to you! Trust me, it's worth the wait!
Post 47
fishy071
Date Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2003 9:23 pm
Marea, your dad sounds like my dad: falling asleep in front of the screen and everywhere.
Things would be easier if I'm not still under their money. Unfortunately, I still am. My dad wants me to bring TTT SE DVD when I go to my parents' house for Thanksgiving. He doesn't know what's going on in the movies, but still wants to see it. He seems to be more interested in the special effects.
I have to keep learning again and again that my family has trouble accepting differences. I'm also like the black sheep in the family.
Post 48
Tanwen_Luthien
Date Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2003 11:36 pm
I JUST GOT MY SPECIAL EDITION TTT TODAY!!!!!!!!!!!
I haven't watched it yet though.
I have guests over.
But tomorrow, we will have a MOVIE MARATHON of 1 & 2!!!
Precioussssssssss.....
Post 49
ConnieMarie
Date Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 10:47 am
Guess what, you guys? We MISSED it! Marea is celebrating her birthday this weekend, as you all know, but the DAY was YESTERDAY.
Therefore, I've informed everyone at Bag End, decorated the Dragon, called the musicians, and warned the Barkeep. It's party time. *grin* I bet Jewel will make use of that piano that's showed up. We shall sing, dance, and imbibe.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, MAREA!!!!!
Hugs, kisses, and heaps of praise for all you do! (TORN Oscar parties, reporting on meeting Elijah in that bar...you know. All THAT.)
Hip, hip, hooray!
Post 50
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 11:00 am
Froda bounds into the Dragon, carrying a large pie-plate, covered in foil, along with several bags of streamers and balloons. She sets the pie on a large trestle table and begins to unload the party favors, just as the musicians begin to file in and unload their instruments.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY MAREA!!!
I've brought a homemade pumpkin pie for the occasion, since it's that time of year!
I hope you had a wonderful birthday, and I'm sure you'll have a great weekend with your husband and your new DVD!
Here's to friendship and a long, happy life!
Here's to Marea!
Hip hip hooray!
Post 51
Rosie_the_hobbit
Date Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 12:25 pm
Happy Birthday Marea! I hope you had a great birthday, and that you enjoy FINALLY getting to see the EE.
Post 52
naias
Date Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 12:51 pm
naias enters the new Dragon ( which is as cosy and inviting as the old one) carrying a Black Forest cake in one hand and a bottle of the best French Champagne in the other. It has been some time now since the last time she brought her usual celebration extras to a Kitchen crew party and she feels a bit ....something...She gives Marea a huge hug
I wish you the best Oh You Marea, the One who has seen the Eyes!!!
I wish you this next year of your life will bring you many more experiences that will make even more of your dreams come true. And as you have taught us, all this time I have had the privilege to know you: The sky is the limit.
Here is to you and your health, dear!
naias
PS My e-dvd, the one I ordered from Amazon, came by post yest, the 20th. I got it today but I am holding till tomorrow cause I promised my brother we would watch it together for the first time. I keep it in front of me and can't believe I am doing it. But a promise is a promise and I will try to keep it. I am not sure that I will manage though ...I am afraid that in the deep of the night, when my resistance gets softer, I might get up and watch it. As you know, I can stay up all night for a good cause
Post 53
Shadowfax8
Date Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 4:51 pm
Shadow enters the Dragon, bearing her best super chocolate Oreo cookie dessert and a pitcher of Fuzzy Navels (wink) and is stunned by Connie's decorating enthusiasm.
I didn't think this much crepe paper EXISTED in Middle Earth!!
HAPPY BIRTHDAY MAREA!!!!!
I hope that right now you are sitting on your couch, cuddling up to Jason and watching some kind of LOTR goodness to help you survive your wait til tomorrow...or maybe you've gone out for the evening, to take your mind off it!
I'm so thrilled to be able to share your birthday with you, and tell you what an amazing friend you are! You have taught me that I can do anything that I set my mind to, and you've taught me this by example--you do it yourself ALL the time! I can't wait to see what the next year brings for us *cough*February*cough*, and I wish you everything your heart desires (and a job, but none of us REALLY want that). A toast then, to our kitchen sister who can do ANYTHING!
Shadow clinks glasses with Marea, then gives her a huge bear hug.
Now, let's find you some hobbits to dance with, hmmm?
Post 54
Tanwen_Luthien
Date Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 7:04 pm
Tanwen, seeing everyone elses gifts and celebration stuff, digs into her pocket and pulls out a large bottle and hands it to Marea
Rum I smuggled from my fellow Black Pearl Shipmates! Best in the Caribbean! Drink up Marea!
Post 55
Trasmerg38
Date Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 7:59 pm
Happy Birthday Marea!
Traz bursts into the Green Dragon bringing with her a huge bowl of her good ole famous punch...spiked as usual.
I was going to bring some black forest cake, but Naias got it covered!
She pours herself a cup of punch and raises it....
To Marea, may you have a terrific birthday watching the EE with your honey!!!!
I now have to leave you all lovely people...I'm just about finished packing, I'm going to visit my sister for a week, and I'm leaving first thing in the morning. I'll try to pop in every now and then to see how the party goes, and maybe to slip in a dance with Pippin if he shows up.
ttfn~~
Post 56
fishy071
Date Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 8:34 pm
Fishy071 enters with confetti, tea, and ale.
Happy Birthday Marea!
Post 57
CaMinx
Date Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 9:20 pm
Happy Happy Birthday Marea!!!
CaMinx Lifts up a tall glass of champagne ~ To my Oscar Party Buddy!! A woman who has met and spoken with not 2 nor 3 BUT all 4 hobbits!! And ... came back to tell the tale!!!
CaMinx gives Marea and large bouquet of white roses sprinkeled with whisps of colorful sweetpeas and a Big Birthday {{{HUG}}}!!
Time to Party!!!
Post 58
HONEYELF
Date Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 9:57 pm
Happy Birthday, Marea!
Big Hugs,
Honey!
Post 59
WendyLadyofLothlorien
Date Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 11:45 pm
Wendy enters the Green Dragon Inn with Frodo in tow, and a bag of packages for Marea,,,
"Hello everone, look who I brought with me...He and I have been partying over at Lalaith's house, to celebrate the DVD, and we got wind of a Birthday happening in here, so we just had to pop over and say HI !!!"
She handed Marea her present and hugged her warmly...
" Have a great birthday Marea, and when you feel like watching the extended film again, just come on over to Lalaith's house...she won't mind one bit...that goes for everyone else in here too ..."
Marea,
Have a fabulous day today, finally, to celebrate your birthday and to watch the TTT DVD...if it's any consolation at all, I, too haven't even bought the DVD yet !! You must all think me mad as a hatter, but, since I won't even start to watch it until my guests have gone home on Sunday evening, I haven't been that panicked about getting my grubby little paws on a copy yet Besides, I'm that much of a skinflint that I'll shop around for the best price...( £27.99 so far, in Smith's )
Anyway, have a fabulous birthday, and you get to go to three parties...your own 'surprise and yet not so' party at home, the party here in the INN, and the other party over at the MAC Guild at Lalaith's house, to celebrate the release of the DVD !! Lucky you ...
Post 60
fishy071
Date Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2003 1:27 am
Here is a birthdya thread for you: Happy Birthdya Marea (11/21)!
Wnedy, I'm like that too: I look for the cheapest price.
Post 61
Tanwen_Luthien
Date Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2003 3:26 am
Is that the extended edition for $27?
DAMN IT! Over here it's about $55!
Post 62
JewelSong
Date Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2003 5:44 am
Happy Birthday, Marea!
Of course, we won't SEE her in here anytime soon, will we? Because by now she'll be (finally) watching the extended DVD. Won't she?
As for me, I am happy it is Saturday, I am happy we have a short week, I am happy I am not cooking for Thanksgiving and I am happy (and excited) that in THREE WEEKS I'll be leaving for the Gathering in Toronto...yeeeeehaaaaaa!!!!!!
Pour another pint, Pippin, me lad!
Post 63
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2003 9:19 am
Wendy, I'm a bargain hunter as well!
Tanwen, I believe she said 27 pounds, not dollars.
Yay for long weekends and extended DVD's!!
Here Pip, while you're at it, get me another, would you?
Post 64
truehobbit
dolce tranquillo
Date Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2003 12:32 pm
Hi everybody! I've come for Marea's birthday and see that we have a new Dragon!
Well done - on to the second round, then!
Happy Birthday, Marea! The past year, I think, brought many changes in your life, all making it more exciting and surprising. May you continue like that, and find lots and lots of happy new developments in your life!
(((((((((((hugs))))))))))
Post 65
Orangeblossom_Bumbleroot
Date Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2003 12:42 pm
Happy Birthday, Marea.
And many more!!!!
Post 66
Tanwen_Luthien
Date Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2003 1:47 pm
Why do I feel like I got a bad deal when I was born in Australia?
Hmmm.
A) Lack of holidays
B) Aussie dollar down against everything else
C)Ummmm... I'm sure there's something else
Post 67
Leshii
Date Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2003 6:19 pm
<Looks in awe at the the drinks, the food, the decorations!>
Wow! Look at it all! You are in here somewhere, aren't you?
<swats confetti>
There you are! Happy birthday!
Post 68
fishy071
Date Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2003 12:21 am
We can also get the SE DVD for $27 here in the U.S. At Wal-Mart, it was $27.97, and at Best Buy it was $23.99, so I got it at Best Buy.
Post 69
samaranth
Date Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2003 7:44 am
Before that confetti has time to settle...
Happy Birthday marea!
I'd like to give you these gardenias from my garden - and I don't suppose this huge bottle of champagne would go amiss either.
(I can't believe I missed the opening of the Green Dragon - Second Round. I'm being completely swamped by work at the moment, and consequently am full of grumbles. I'll go away now, and come back cheerful in a day or two. And hopefully I will have had a chance to (1) buy and (2) watch the TTT EE thing by then. *sigh*)
Cheers to everyone!!
Post 70
fishy071
Date Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2003 9:00 pm
Don't worry about it, Samaranth. I've missed things at TORC because of school. You can go ahead and complain here.
Edit: I am listening to Into the West from the soundtrack webstie right now. I chose the low quality option since I only have dialup. Despite that, it has stopped once during the song. It's beautiful and sad.
Update: To avoid the Thanksgiving traffic, I will be heading for my paretns' house tomorrow night. I won't be back till Sunday night.
Post 71
WendyLadyofLothlorien
Date Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2003 12:50 am
Well, hello, everyone...
I have been watching the new DVD for the last two days, and it IS FAB !!!
For those who are interested, I managed to buy it for £24.99 in the end, from HMV in Ealing Broadway, ( my local shopping High St.)...and that converts to 59 Australian Dollars, ( for Tanwen ) and 42 US Dollars ( for everyone else ) so I guess the prices are really variable all over the world, even within the same store chain in the UK, it seems...someone on the Empire Film Website bought their copy in another branch of HMV, in the UK, for £22.50...so there you go !!!
I love the extra dimension that all the extra scenes give to this movie...in particular, all the extra scenes with Denethor, Boromir, and Faramir...and I was VERY interested in where the extra bits with Frodo morphing into the horrible Gollum-like apparition were originally going to be inserted, ( just after Faramir had him at sword-point against the barrels in the cave )...I'm so glad they saw fit to excise this scene, as I don't think it would have added much to the story except confusion
I love the extra scene with the Elven rope, right at the beginning, I'm SO glad they put that back in...
OK, off to do some Christmas shopping now, and then to Wembley Arena tonight, to see Mr Bowie strut his stuff...can't wait
Post 72
Trasmerg38
Date Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2003 6:13 am
Howdy from Texas Y'all!
Sitting here with my sister (she's playing tug with her puppy who growls like a big ole bear! lol
Just popping in to say hello and Happy Thanksgiving to those who partake!
hasta la vista!
Post 73
Tanwen_Luthien
Date Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2003 12:19 am
Tanwen takes a deep breath
Okay, I think I'll calm down now.
I just need some ale to cool off.
Any new types?
Post 74
fishy071
Date Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2003 12:58 am
Happy Thanksgiving!
I'm not sure about new types.
Post 75
ConnieMarie
Date Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2003 4:50 am
Happy Thanksgiving to all Dragon Denizens from the U.S.!
I should be making pumpkin pie, but where am I? I nicked out to Middle Earth. LOL.
Anybody else crying buckets over "Into the West"? And that bit when Pippin SINGS? His voice is just PERFECT, such a high sweet tenor, so beautiful and sad.
This movie is gonna kill me.
I was so amazed that Billy Boyd could sing like that. (JewelSong told me he was a professional musician and singer at some point. Wow.) Does anyone know if Miranda Otta was doing her own singing in that awesome "Theodred's Funeral" scene in the exV, the one where she sings the dirge? Because that was amazing, too! Made me shiver.
Indeed, although I've barely scratched the surface of the Bonus Material on the new DVD, my favorite thing so far is the "Music" selection. Howard Shore is one of the stars of this movie, as far as I'm concerned. His music has carried me away into joy and tears almost every day for the last two years.
Post 76
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2003 11:06 am
Oh Connie, I love Billy's voice so much! And I totally agree that Howard Shore is one of the stars of the film. The RotK score is...perfect. The perfect culmination to the trilogy.
Post 77
fishy071
Date Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2003 9:20 pm
I haven't heard Boyd sing because I don't know where to hear it. Besides, I'm waiting till I see ROTK to decide if I want to get the soundtrack or not.
Post 78
Tanwen_Luthien
Date Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2003 4:02 am
I LOVE Howard Shore's music.
I cry as well.
It is so touching.
When does Billy sing?
Where?
Can I listen?
I WANT TO KNOW!!!!!
PS: Did anybody watch the MTV Awards in Edinburgh (I'm so sorry if I spelt that wrong!) Where Billy was a half-host?
Post 79
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2003 3:16 pm
Tanwen: if you have the soundtrack, Billy sings a short solo at the end of track 5, The Steward of Gondor. If you don't have it, I don't know where else you would find it. You might be able to find it available for download, but I can't be sure.
fishy: you really need to see the movie to decide whether Shore's work is good enough?
Post 80
Marea
Date Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2003 6:00 pm
Pant... pant.... running up to the door of The Dragon....
Pant... pant....
I'm late for my own BIRTHDAY! V-E-R-Y late!
You all had a splendid party with streamers and hobbits and food... and I MISSED IT!!!!!
(I feel just like Sally from the Peanuts "Great Pumpkin" story, missing out on Halloween).
Goes to show you what happens when Real Life (into which you squeeze in chunks of Extended Edition viewing) just takes over..
Thank you, thank you, thank you to all you nice Kitchen Sisters who threw me a wonderful birthday party. Perhaps you have some crumbs left I could eat, some slightly wilted flowers I could dry for a memory, and a video of the festivities to watch.
I feel really blessed having you all to share the important times with.
Much love....
Marea
Post 81
fishy071
Date Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2003 11:19 pm
Don't worry, Marea. RL has gotten into my way at times.
Froda_Baggins, I usually see the movies first before I decide to get soundtracks. CDs are often expensive, esepcially for students. I bought an used CD for FOTR soundtrack, and got TTT soundtrack for free at Comic-Con in July. I'm not sure if I even want to buy ROTK soundtrack because the story is so heartbreaking, and if listening to the soundtrack is going to upset me, then I won't buy it.
Post 82
fishy071
Date Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2003 11:19 pm
Ahh! I just noticed the DP!
Post 83
Damalur-sol
Date Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2003 11:55 pm
I listened to the RotK soundtrack, and I was disappointed by 'Into the West', something about it bothered me. It wasn't in keeping with the feel of the rest of the soundtrack. On its own merit it's a powerful song, but not the feel I'd want to end RotK with.
However, I have nothing but praise for the rest of the soundtrack.
Curse reality for cutting into my TORC time!
Post 84
Marea
Date Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2003 6:38 am
I found this excellent editorial by Fatty, webmaster of WaroftheRing. It talks about some of the same stuff that we have been discussing re: "the end of all things" with respect to the Jackson movies. And it also talks about aspect of "the road goes ever on" as well.
I found it wistful and hopeful at the same time....
So check out the text I'm going to post below... you might find something there you can really relate to.
Post 85
Marea
Date Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2003 6:39 am
Fatty wrote:
When you run a Tolkien web site it is easy to get caught up in the barrage of news, scans, advertising requests, and PR.
People are desperate to see the latest photo from the movie or a snipit of information from a slip up during an interview with one of the actors. They write in asking questions about what will happen or expressing outrage at changes made.
We put great effort into covering all the news we can, searching the internet, newspapers, magazine, TV, radio as well as from sources who send things in. Polls are put up, images uploaded, video compiled and news discussed.
I was sitting listening to the last track on the soundtrack to The return of the King last week when this struck me, though it was not until tonight when I was listening again and working on another project that I thought to put it down.
Ultimately what is it about The Lord of the Rings that you love? Is it the great effects, the epic battles scenes, the actors or a blend of all..........
or is it something more than that.
For me, despite the fact that WotR is popular because of the films, the movies in the end don't matter. Sure I love to get involved in debates about whether Peter Jackson should have done this or that. But, when it comes down to the wire it is all really irrelevant.
In 50 years no doubt the books will have been filmed again, maybe more than once. The thing that will still make them popular is Tolkien's writing and why it stays with many readers all their life.
When I read the books or even brood on them a bit, which has been known to occur. The sadness that pervades these books is something often overlooked I think. There is an immense feeling of loss at the end. Not only are you saying goodbye to characters you have grown attached to but you are also saying farewell to the world in which they exist. In fact the whole book is laced with leaving and loss.
So sure the real world flows by and we will keep posting news and information when we can. But long after War of the Ring ceases to exists, or is relegated to an obscure archive on the net. When we are old and grey and a new generation are raving about the 'new' Lord of the RIngs films. I know I will still have the thing that made me star this site in the first place.
The world Tolkien created may well be fictional and escapism for many. But I think in many ways it is a story about very real things. Despite, or because, of all the elves, dwarves and other races he created the books are heavy with humanity.
I am just reading Tolkien and the Great War by John Garth, which was sent to us for review (up next week). The hard truth that those who sacrifice all to save what they love do not always get to savour what they have saved is a lesson not lost on this particular hobbit. Garth too thinks that Tolkien was reflecting on his own losses when he wrote this book.
In fact the more i think on this the more I think the books have a lot to do with death. That ultimate unknown that has occupied every human who has ever lived, from Plato to my local shop keeper. Frodo's departure, and death, at the end of the books serves to take us through the grieving process that all of us will feel or have felt at some time.
So in the end I think that this is why these books have had such a lasting impression on me. They deal with that unavoidable and inevitable event and show us how even when you have known someone all your life or loved them for many years, when they die you can still go on. It might take time but as Frodo tells Sam you cannot be torn in two all the time. You grieve and then get on with your life. You might not forget but you accept.
They also serve to remind us that the sacrifices made by those who defend what they and we hold dear often get lost in time or ignored in their own country. Frodo gains little acclaim in The Shire and his wounds, both physical and mental, stop him enjoying the place he has given all to protect. This is what I often think about during remembrance day and other such events.
So for those who ask what will we do once the last extended, enhanced, deluxe DVD comes out. My answer would be you keep in your heart the things that you have garnered from the books. There they will be safe from the ravages of time and of future adaptations.
When you are sitting on a busy commuter bus filled with blank faces, close your eyes and you will still be able to see the valleys of The Shire and marvel at the wonders of far off Numenor. That's what I do and live each day knowing I too will one day see a far green country under a swift sunrise.
Anyway, just thought I would share my thoughts on this as we near the release of the final film. Apologies if they come across as patronising, but they are not meant to be, just a note on why I personally do this.
Post 86
Tanwen_Luthien
Date Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2003 2:54 pm
How come you guys get the RoTK soundtrack?
When does the movie come out over there?????
Post 87
fishy071
Date Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2003 5:37 pm
In the U.S. the movie comes out 12/17.
Post 88
Tinewen
Hobbit Friend
Date Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2003 10:17 pm
Hello dear friends. Well it has been a very long time since I stopped by the Dragon for an ale or two and now it's a new Dragon!!! Time does fly.
As most of you know I am without my computer at home and have to sneak precious moments on my work computer. I thought I'd better pop in and say hello and let you all know that I'm still around and haven't forgotten you all. In fact the closer we get to ROTK the more I think about our little group here.
Marea, thank you so much for that article. And a very belated Happy Birthday too. I hope you had a lovely day and that you enjoyed you DVD viewing finally. I raise my glass and toast our intrepid Hobbit pursuer! You are an inspiration to us all, Marea.
I haven't got the Soundtrack yet and I'm debating whether to get it before I see ROTK. I think I'm going to go into full spoiler mode now since reduced computer time is sort of forcing that upon me anyway! I want to try and capture a little of the awe and wonder I experienced when I saw FOTR. I can't relive that experience completely but avoiding the soundtrack and any reviews or opinions etc will help I think. I have found myself playing the FOTR and TTT soundtracks a lot lately though.
And Connie, I'm with you on the funeral scene and Eowyn singing. That scene is just so haunting and I've been watching it over and over. 
Oh and I was able to get tickets to the first screening at my local cinema like last year. It was a lot of fun because we had to line up (unreserved seats) and people dressed up etc and you knew that you were with die hard fans and as my friend says "True Believers!"
Hopefully it will be as much fun this year.
Tin
Post 89
fishy071
Date Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2003 11:28 pm
Welcome back Tinewen! Sorry to hear about your computer problems.
Post 90
ConnieMarie
Date Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2003 7:02 am
Marea, there's PLENTY of food left. And drink! Never fear...we can kind of suspend time in here.
Tinewen, so glorious to see you! I've missed you something awful. I hope your computer gets better soon.
As for me, I am kind of going into SHUT DOWN MODE. I see ROTK in...four...more...days...! I have the soundtrack, and it's AWESOME, but I'm mostly not listening to it partly because I don't get the darn CHANCE. But I also suddenly just don't want any MORE...no more sounds or sights of ROTK. It's so close now. I just want to GO and BE THERE, if you know what I mean. Don't wanna read detailed lists of spoilers. Especially don't wanna hear people freak out about what PJ did or didn't do as is going on all over the web.
I am occupying my time with shopping, wrapping and holiday cards, trying frantically to get all this junk DONE and out of my way so I can go into a genuine LOTR frenzy for the next few weeks. *grin*
I'm tired. Holiday prep is WORK.
So perhaps I shall put my feet up and take a long, slow swig of ale and just listen to you ladies converse.
Post 91
ConnieMarie
Date Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2003 7:51 am
You know how I just said I wasn't gonna listen to the soundtrack any more? Well, I just did! LOL
Hubby took the kids out for breakfast so I could wrap their presents and I put the music on. So beautiful, scary and moving. Oy.
I'm broke. Are you broke? Last night my son sat on Santa's knee --he barely fits; he's a big kid-- and asked for something he hadn't even MENTIONED to me! The Star Wars AT-AT Imperial Walker Lego.
Now, I ask you. The kid just turned 9, he still believes, and this is probably the last Christmas he will. So off I go, to lego.com to buy the thing. Guess how much it was? *SHRIEK!!!!* I got it, though, big maudlin idiot that I am.
Hey, if anybody sees a Tranformer Armada Mini-con set that makes up Star Saber and consists of Jetstorm, Runway and Sonar --BUY IT! I'll pay you back, I promise! I have searched the web and the stores and they are GONE. Very popular item. Of course, this one I can't find costs only $8.99. Oy.
My daughter I got covered. Wanted a big Care Bear and a Kangaroo. Kangaroo --plush w/joey-- is on the way from Australia. *grin* Ain't shopping on the internet fun? And dangerous?
Post 92
ConnieMarie
Date Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2003 9:51 am
Um... Listening to the last 3 or 4 tracks on the soundtrack nearly killed me. Now I have soggy Christmas presents. Maybe I shouldn't do this again too soon.
Post 93
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2003 10:52 am
LOl Connie! I know I'm going to be broke pretty soon as well.
I listened to all three soundtracks last night, one right after the other. And lemme tell you, that is the ONLY way to do it. It really hits you full-force when the end comes. *shiver*
Marea, that article is awesome, thanks for posting it. I totally agree with what he has to say, about the book being infused with this sense of loss.
I was re-reading the Lothlorien chapters of FotR last night, and I got that feeling so much from them. It always makes me weepy to read that part of the story lol, because in Lorien you *really* get the sense of fading, and leaving, that the time of the Elves really is over, and a lot of beauty is going to pass away with them and never come back.
Oy I'm in quite a mood today lol!
Post 94
Orangeblossom_Bumbleroot
Date Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2003 12:55 pm
Marea...Thanks for posting the aricle. The author's thoughts are very close to mine. I would love to see LotR win an Oscar for Best Picture, Best Director,etc, and I will be sad if it doesn't, but in the end it isn't important. Middle Earth will always be here, Oscar or not.
ConnieMarie...I haven't listened to the soundtrack because I know I'll be a sobbing mess when I do. I'll let myself be a sobbing mess when I see the movie and hear the soundtrack together.
Post 95
Tanwen_Luthien
Date Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2003 10:56 pm
I swear, I am going to lose the will to live when it's all over.
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post 96
WendyLadyofLothlorien
Date Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2003 11:55
Whoops...double trouble !!!
Post 97
WendyLadyofLothlorien
Date Posted: Mon Dec 1, 2003 12:00 am
Marea,
When I read the books or even brood on them a bit, which has been known to occur. The sadness that pervades these books is something often overlooked I think. There is an immense feeling of loss at the end.
This is the bit in Fatty's article that really resonated with me...I have to say that when I read the book for the first time, ( not so long ago ), this was the first time that I've REALLY felt a strong sense of anything really, just by reading a passage in a book...call me cynical, but books don't usually do it for me, emotion-wise...films do it better...but "The Grey Havens" chapter provoked a profound sense of sadness and loss in me, that took me quite by surprise...no book has ever done that before !! So this is the part of ROTK that I'm personally looking forward to more than anything else...
Orangeblossom,
I agree with you completely about the Oscars...ROTK, by rights should win hands down, - if it doesn't, then I shall lose all faith in their judgement forever, - but, in the end, who cares really, if they don't see what we see ? Middle-Earth shall always be there, and these films shall pass into Film legend, no matter what these notoriously unreliable judges see fit to reward this year...in twenty years time, some adventurous director shall have the idea of a remake, and the film-going world shall be up in arms about remaking something that's already perfect...if it ain't broke, don't fix it...
Connie,
You're right about the Internet being up in arms about what's been included and what's been left out of the theatrical cut of ROTK...the thing is that it's the extended cut of these films that are going to be passed down into history, not what we saw in the cinema for the first time...if only people could get that through their tiny little heads, we'd all be spared the spectacle of grown men and women whingeing on and on about the fact there is no Saruman, or anything else that is getting their goats right now...it's SO tedious, don't you think ?
Post 98
fishy071
Date Posted: Mon Dec 1, 2003 12:16 am
Sorry to hear about your financial problems, ConnieMarie. Being a student, that is typical for me. I am always looking for the cheapest things.
I have done some Christmas shopping already, and gave out Christmas cards and presents to some friends on my way to my parents' house for Thanksgiving. I just returned from my parents' house. Now it's back to school, along with more holiday stuff. I'm still not getting the soudntrack because I don't think I can handle the heartbreaking parts. The fading of fair things is too much for me. I also get upset stomach from it, so I better not eat before I see ROTK. I might get the soundtrack after seeing ROTK if I really like the songs, and can listen without falling apart. I was litening to Into the West on the internet at my parents' house. Fortunately they didn't quite know about it, but they knew I was listening to music. I don't really have time to listen to all 3 at once. I'm a fan of too many things.
Post 99
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Mon Dec 1, 2003 10:19 am
Just think, in a couple of weeks all the whining will be over, because everyone will have forgotten all about Saruman in the overwhelming beauty and sadness.
I agree about the Oscars. It would be great for the Academy to give RotK the recognition it deserves, and PJ too! But if they don't, it won't matter in the long run. These are hugely popular films, with a huge fanbase that has been around since long before they were ever a gleam in PJ's eye. So I have no worries that these films will definitely go down in history.
Post 100
Marea
Date Posted: Mon Dec 1, 2003 6:18 pm
Came across this intruiging, slightly terrifying account of watching ROTK online just today. Some of you probably can guess who this reviewer might be. I gotta tell you that even though I knew going in, I was STILL left incredulous about this person described his/her ROTK going experience.
If you know who... you'll see why I say "slightly terrifying".
I've seen the last hour of the movie and it is a f***ing masterpiece. I've never been made to cry so much by watching a piece of film. I was sobbing that kind of sob where you can't breathe, you know?
It's gonna wreck people.
Great. As if I need this... what with my asthma...
Those of you who don't KNOW... any guesses?
As Jewel and others posting here have so colorfully put it... come movie time, we're all gonna die....
And on that cheerful note... back to wrapping Christmas presents....
Post 101
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Mon Dec 1, 2003 6:57 pm
Oh Marea, yes I do indeed know who that is, and I just have to say, if it made *him* cry, I'm scared to think what it will do to the rest of us.
*Whimper*
Post 102
Trasmerg38
Date Posted: Mon Dec 1, 2003 9:17 pm
15 days, 0 hours, 45 minutes and 50 seconds................
......................but who's counting?
Post 103
Tanwen_Luthien
Date Posted: Mon Dec 1, 2003 9:37 pm
Till what?
Post 104
Tanwen_Luthien
Date Posted: Mon Dec 1, 2003 9:37 pm
Till what?
Post 105
fishy071
Date Posted: Mon Dec 1, 2003 9:38 pm
Sorry to hear about your asthma, Marea.
I definitely know I'll be seeing ROTK just once. I'm really going to need more tissues and a sick bag.
Post 106
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Tue Dec 2, 2003 2:21 pm
*Cough14days7hours45minutes34secondscough*
Hairball.
Post 107
Orangeblossom_Bumbleroot
Date Posted: Tue Dec 2, 2003 4:07 pm
I'm getting antsy and restless, and trying to keep busy, but it doesn't help. At least there's a RotK segment on Primetime Thursday this week. Maybe that will help.
Post 108
evenstar1
Date Posted: Tue Dec 2, 2003 7:00 pm
Hello all. Nice second round thread!!
Elijah will be on Leno wed night!
Just thought I would let everyone know.
Love from Middle earth
Evenstar1
Post 109
Thewhitetree
Chief Flag Bearer of Gondor
Date Posted: Tue Dec 2, 2003 7:46 pm
I am so mad that I have no access to TV right now. I love the Leno show, and I would love to see Wood on.
Post 110
fishy071
Date Posted: Tue Dec 2, 2003 7:51 pm
I can wait because I have school to keep me busy, but in a way I can't wait till the semester is over, which would be around the release of ROTK. In other words, I can't wait until this semester of my hated schedule is over. I'm looking forward to that more than ROTK.
Post 111
Trasmerg38
Date Posted: Tue Dec 2, 2003 8:05 pm
Tanwen, you did not just say "till what?"!!
This has to be the most important countdown in the history of ME!! I'll just pretend you didn't say it......here, have a pint on me...it'll clear your head!
Fishy, hope these next two weeks fly by!! For your sake and mine!
I really do need a pint...I almost lost it at work today! I told my boss how excited I was and that I couldn't wait until the 17th, and I've waited for this day since the summer of 2001, and then I appologized, but this is such a good book, and she HAS to read it and on and on...she laughed, and then said she saw the commercial for it last night and thought of me, and I said "YES, wasn't it an awesome commercial!!!" (and on and on and on) Btw, yes, she knows I'm a loony...
Let's see, where was I? Ahh yes..... 14 days 1 hour 58 minutes and 30 seconds *coughuntilReturnoftheKingcough*
Post 112
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Tue Dec 2, 2003 8:23 pm
Ah well, it's OK to be a loony lol. I was just talking to my mom over the phone and telling her how excited I am to see RotK....yeah I think I scared her a little bit...haha.
Post 113
Tanwen_Luthien
Date Posted: Tue Dec 2, 2003 11:51 pm
Oh, I'm sorry.
It just comes out on the 26th here.
Damn Australia.
If there is a god, I'm sure she hates me.
Post 114
fishy071
Date Posted: Wed Dec 3, 2003 2:47 am
Thanks Traz! Let's keep counting down the days.
My family thinks I'm looney too, even when I only mention about probably wanting to buy the soundtrack.
Post 115
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Wed Dec 3, 2003 8:45 am
If this is loony, I would hate to be normal. How boring!
I don't understand why they can't open the movie everywhere on the same day.
Post 116
Rosie_the_hobbit
Date Posted: Wed Dec 3, 2003 10:26 am
I'm with you Froda. What most people consider 'normal' is dreadfully boring. And if you're going to be obsessive about something, I can think of far worst things to be into than LOTR. Here we have a story about unconditional love, self-sacrifice, incredible dedication, need I go on? Long live the Tolkien geeks!
13 days to go....
Post 117
Marea
Date Posted: Wed Dec 3, 2003 11:27 am
Hear hear Rosie!
After all, its not as if we are being obsessive about GAMBLING (or shopping or germs or something equally or more disfunctional).
I don't think of it as obsession exactly either... for me it is more like a HUNGER... for more of some things which are rarer in our world then they are in Middle Earth.
I raise my pint to you all and hope that some hobbits come to the inn soon to join us on this cold (at least in my hemisphere) winter night.
Post 118
fishy071
Date Posted: Wed Dec 3, 2003 11:28 am
I don't understand why they can't open movies at the same time around the world either.
I think the words crazy, looney, weird, etc. are overused and stereotypical. People often use them because they can't accept differences.
Post 119
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Wed Dec 3, 2003 12:47 pm
I know we're trying to lighten the atmosphere in here, but I have to share this with you. I was listening to the radio this afternoon and a song was played by one of my favorite Christian artists, Steven Curtis Chapman, and I found myself thinking of Sam and Frodo and RotK. I'll post the lyrics here and see what you think.
"I Will Be Here" by Steven Curtis Chapman
Tomorrow morning if you wake up
And the sun does not appear,
I will be here.
If in the dark we lose sight of love,
Hold my hand and have no fear,
Cause I will be here.
I will be here when you feel like being quiet,
When you need to speak your mind, I will listen.
And I will be here when the laughter turns to crying;
Through winning, losing and trying we'll be together.
Tomorrow morning if you wake up,
And the future is unclear,
I will be here.
As sure as seasons are made for change,
Our lifetimes are made for years,
So I will be here.
I will be here, and you can cry on my shoulder;
When the mirror tells us we're older I will hold you.
And I will be here to watch you grow in beauty,
And tell you all the things you are to me;
I will be here.
I will be true to the promise I have made,
To you and to the One who gave you to me.
I know it's not perfect, but I think it comes very close to capturing the relationship between Frodo and Sam.
Post 120
Rosie_the_hobbit
Date Posted: Wed Dec 3, 2003 7:07 pm
I've known that song for a long time Froda, but I hadn't thought of it in relation to Frodo and Sam before. Beautiful, just beautiful.
Post 121
Trasmerg38
Date Posted: Wed Dec 3, 2003 7:56 pm
Froda, that's a beautiful song! It does seem to fit, doesn't it?
Marea, I'm with you! *raises pint* Here's hoping for a hobbit or two to bless us with their company and good cheer! And as Rosie so eliquently put it, Long live the Tolkien geeks!
....go us!
Post 122
fishy071
Date Posted: Wed Dec 3, 2003 8:36 pm
Thanks Froda_baggins! It does seem to fit Frodo and Sam. The song sounds familiar, like I've heard it before.
Post 123
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Wed Dec 3, 2003 9:29 pm
AH! oh my! I just watched Elijah on Jay Leno, and they showed a clip....*hyperventilates*
SPOILERS!
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It was Frodo, and Sam and Gollum. Sam was physically attacking Gollum (presumably after hearing Gollum talking about his plan, and Frodo pulls him off. Sam tells Frodo that Gollum is going to betray them, Gollum protests that because Sam hates him, he's lying, Sam confronts Gollum, calling *him* a liar. Frodo attempts to make peace, and tries to keep Sam off Gollum. He says that they're lost without a guide, that they need Gollum. Sam says he won't sit around and wait for Gollum's betrayal. Frodo protests that he needs Sam by his side. Sam says "I'm on your side Mr. Frodo", saying "He's [Gollum's] a villain!" Frodo calls Gollum, and Gollum takes Frodo's hand, looking back at Sam with a positively frightening look on his face.
That little clip positively RIPPED MY HEART OUT!
*hyperventilates again*
Post 124
Tanwen_Luthien
Date Posted: Wed Dec 3, 2003 9:57 pm
Ooh! Ooh! I've seen that before! I love Gollums end expression! So evil... It's amazing that computer graphics can now convey and stir emotion like that!
Post 125
fishy071
Date Posted: Wed Dec 3, 2003 10:39 pm
I didn't get the chance to see it. I think I forgot about it, and have been busy. I'll see if I can catch the production program on ABC tomorrow, if I remember what time in PST.
Post 126
HONEYELF
Date Posted: Thu Dec 4, 2003 3:21 pm
Froda, I saw that too!
SPOILERS
I loved the look Frodo gave Sam when he acknowledged that Sam is on his "side;" so full of affection and gratitude I thought. I have to say that I wish PJ was putting as much work into emphasizing that Frodo is behaving out of mercy toward Gollum, as much as he is using Gollum to show that Frodo's thinking is muddled by the Ring's influence. (The queen of the run-on-sentence strikes again.)
END SPOILERS
I loved that song, too, Froda!
Honey!
Post 127
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Thu Dec 4,
Totally agree Honey. Totally.
But I think I'm just so grateful that PJ has kept the heart of the relationship between Frodo and Sam intact, that I don't really think much about other changes he's made. *Shrug*
And he did acknowledge the pity element in TTT. I suppose a non-reading audience might not get it, but...they should read the book anyway.
Post 128
fishy071
Date Posted: Thu Dec 4, 2003 9:05 pm
I bought the ROTK soundtrack, and opened it today. However, I just received an e-mail from Borders with a discount coupon. Why didn't they send it earlier! It was valid from 12/4 - 12/7.
Post 129
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Thu Dec 4, 2003 9:11 pm
Darn mail service! Isn't that just the luck?
Post 130
Shadowfax8
Date Posted: Fri Dec 5, 2003 3:02 pm
Hello ladies!
I didn't get the chance to post it here before I left, but now I'm back. Connie and I saw ROTK last night!!!!! I have a spoiler thread going over in the movies forum, and I've posted some things on my lj (ID=shadowfax8), so feel free to come by.
I have to tell you though: IT WAS BETTER THAN I EVER THOUGHT IT COULD BE!!!
That thing about the tissues? Oh yeah, bring 'em! Connie and I cried off and on through the first two hours, and all the way through the last one. It was brilliant, and Peter got everything RIGHT!! I wish you could all just go see it right now, because it was amazing. The best movie I have ever seen. So if you were stressing over it being good, relax, because it's just about perfect!
I hope to post more details later, but I have to run now. If you guys have any questions, fire away, or let me know what you'd like to hear about!
*SQUEE!!!*
Post 131
fishy071
Date Posted: Fri Dec 5, 2003 3:11 pm
ConnieMarie and Shadowfax8, how were you able to see ROTK last night? Did they release it early where you live?
I reserved my ticket on Fandango for the midnight showing, and just picked it up. Right now I'm listening to the soundtrack. I'll be prepared that night with tissues.
Right now, Boyd is singing on the soundtrack, but I can't make out the words. It's something about shadows.
Post 132
Shadowfax8
Date Posted: Fri Dec 5, 2003 3:23 pm
Hi fishy!
Connie and I went to a special AFI screening of ROTK in Silver Spring, MD. Connie had to join AFI (American Film Institute), and then we were lucky enough to land tickets. We won't see the movie again until midnight on the 16th.
The words Pip sings are:
Home is behind
The world ahead
And there are many paths to tread
Through shadow
To the edge of night
Until the stars are all alight
Mist and shadow
Cloud and shade
All shall fade, all shall fade
Post 133
fishy071
Date Posted: Fri Dec 5, 2003 3:38 pm
Thanks Shadowfax8! Now the soundtrack is playing Hope Fails... wiat, no, it just got through that! Now it's playing The Black Gate Opens.
Post 134
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Fri Dec 5, 2003 6:38 pm
Shadow: actually, I think the first line is "home is behind,/the world ahead".
Yes I've been planning on bringing those tissues for several months now. And I'm definitely bringing a friend I can hold onto.
BTW, has anyone seen the new video clip on the official site? It's about Sam and it's really great!
Post 135
Shadowfax8
Date Posted: Fri Dec 5, 2003 6:41 pm
Froda, I think you're right. That makes more sense!
Post 136
fishy071
Date Posted: Fri Dec 5, 2003 7:54 pm
It sounds like in the movie, they're either going to have Boyd singing in the background, or Pippin singing to himself, Gandalf, or Denethor.
Post 137
evenstar1
Date Posted: Fri Dec 5, 2003 9:22 pm
Yea I thought that was a nice surprise on the soundtrack.
Post 138
fishy071
Date Posted: Fri Dec 5, 2003 10:38 pm
Welcome Evenstar1!
I was a little surprised when I first heard about Boyd and Mortenson singing. Their singing is soft. Right now my ROTK soundtrack is playing Into the West.
Post 139
Tanwen_Luthien
Date Posted: Fri Dec 5, 2003 10:53 pm
Boyd AND Mortenson?
I didn't know Viggo could sing 
Post 140
fishy071
Date Posted: Fri Dec 5, 2003 11:55 pm
He sings in The Return of the King track.
Post 141
Tanwen_Luthien
Date Posted: Sat Dec 6, 2003 12:12 am
I SO need to get that for Christmas!
Post 142
ConnieMarie
Date Posted: Sat Dec 6, 2003 5:32 am
I can tell you guys one thing. When Pippin sings in the movie...it is so beautiful and devastating. *sniffle*
And you ain't kidding about the kleenex. I keep telling people, I sniffled, cried or sobbed brokenly through 70% of this movie, not just S&F parts but M&P parts.
I can hardly stand it. I need to see it AGAIN almost as bad as the folks who haven't seen it yet need to see it!
Meanwhile, I stare out the window at a freakin' BLIZZARD and pray that I can make it to the theater tonight because I have tickets for me and five other people to see the FOTR exV on the BIG SCREEN. I will be so disappointed if I can't go. *wah* The plow is out there trying to clear the street now, but it's still coming down like CRAZY.
Sigh.
Hey.
As long as it doesn't do this NEXT WEEK when so many of us are trying to drive or fly to the Gathering in Toronto!
Post 143
fishy071
Date Posted: Sat Dec 6, 2003 5:41 am
I'm up posting because I can't sleep. I've read enough reasons to explain why I can see ROTK only once. I had knew since I read it for the first time almost 2 years ago that I would only be able to see ROTK only once.
Post 144
ConnieMarie
Date Posted: Sat Dec 6, 2003 6:03 am
Fishy, I know! You've said that for forever, and I believe you.
I, on the other hand, am a true angst junkie. Which means I'm a teensy bit masochistic, I guess. Oy! I don't only consume angst in mass quantities, I sometimes produce it! Which brings to mind my newest song!
Where better to sing it, in a fit of ROTK inspired angst, than in the Dragon?
(ConnieMarie whips out the ol' guitar and tunes her up.)
This new one is called "Broken" and it's meant to be Merry's lament.
To battle grim and proud did ride
Devoted, desperate King.
His people’s blood in willing tithe
Was paid to conquer Ring.
While those I love rushed to their fate,
I could not useless bide.
I knelt before him, ardent vowed
To serve e’er at his side.
But Theoden was broken
‘Neath Snowmane, worthy steed,
Spared knowledge of fair maiden’s plight,
Her sacrificial deed.
For golden hair streamed in the wind,
Helm cast aside, fate sealed.
Her dulcet voice defiance jeered;
To Evil she’d not yield.
She faced that dreadful countenance
‘Neath black and roiling sky.
Where man would quail, she stood her ground
And cried “No man am I!”
Then broken, she fell broken,
Arm shattered by her foe.
His loathsome breath a poison fog
More deadly than the blow.
My innocence once shone so bright,
Reflected in your eyes.
It’s faded on this journey rife with pain.
Strength and truth I took in trade
Through capture, terror, loss…
But of strength naught will remain.
For you were to be a leader,
Laughing tweener, then a Thain.
Meant to grow in wisdom,
Not to die upon this plain.
You thought me lost, our cousin seized,
In deathless torment bound;
Despairing, flung into the fray
At battle cry’s first sound.
Now broken, you lie broken,
So quiet and so still.
A tag-a-long turned warrior
With courage, iron will.
No joy nor solace shall I find
Though new Age has begun;
Awake, my dear, I beg you;
Or my life is o’er and done.
Without you, I am broken…
Please! Come back, my dearest one.
Glad I got THAT out of my system.
Post 145
fishy071
Date Posted: Sat Dec 6, 2003 6:08 am
Sorry if I mentioned it forever. It's just people have said that I would probably change my mind.
That's a nice poem, ConnieMarie. I like it.
Post 146
ConnieMarie
Date Posted: Sat Dec 6, 2003 6:18 am
Thanks, Fishy! Looks like it's just the two of us in here this morning, doesn't it?
And please don't be "sorry"! I didn't mean it like that. I just meant that for as long as I've known you, you have been pretty clear that you just can't take too much of this stuff. I understand that, too, because it is POWERFUL stuff. I was just trying to explain how I crave the angst and will go back again and again to it. It's as though the pain of it puts me in touch with essential aspects of life and spirit that the mundane dullness of the everyday does not...which sounds utterly SICK, but there you go.
Post 147
Marea
Date Posted: Sat Dec 6, 2003 6:50 am
Not quite just the two of you, Connie.
Happy St. Nicolas Day! We actually celebrate this holiday in my home (with little presents found under pillows) and tomorrow at my church (with a play put on by the Sunday School classes, and gifts given out by the Saint Nick himself, and a cooky and sweets reception.)
So I bring a little gift to us all... some of you already probably read it... but for your convenience from the Official site, and interview that left me misty:
From the Official Site, lordoftherings.net
In the hands of an actor like Sean Astin, the character of Samwise Gamgee is much more than a simple caretaker to the beleaguered Ring Bearer. Over the course of Peter Jackson's The Lord of the Rings trilogy, Astin's gardener from the Shire evolves from Frodo's companion to his confidant and, at times, his pillar of strength.
Here Astin reflects on Sam's remarkable transformation as well as his own unforgettable experiences working on the production.
When you look at a character like Sam, the trait that really stands out seems to be his loyalty...
Sam is the best kind of friend. Through thick or thin, he is always there. I found myself gravitating toward that quality in my portrayal, toward this idea of an earnest, loyal, decent fellow.
He also has a surprising amount of bravery, right?
Sam is so brave. I think bravery is when you're afraid, and yet you act. Like when you take a 3-foot-6 hobbit and put him next to a three-story spider and say, are you going to get victimized or are you going to fight? What's going to happen? You'll see in The Return of the King.
It sounds like Peter Jackson had a real affinity for Shelob...
He knows audiences will just get wigged out by what he's done with Shelob in this movie. Also, as an admirer of Tolkien, he saw how much Tolkien was able to put into the character of Shelob. How much personality, how much substance. And he wanted to honor that.
How did you see the servant/master relationship between Sam and Frodo?
I was never uncomfortable with that, I was never uncomfortable calling Mr. Frodo Mr. Frodo. When it comes to the servant/master relationship, there is something special about remembering every day and every moment to pay respect or courtesy to the person you're working with. And through hardship, through suffering, Frodo and Sam are able to achieve a level of parity, a level of equality in their relationship.
How does Sam's task change over the course of the trilogy?
When the journey begins, Sam's primary mission is just to help Frodo, making sure he's got the right utensils with him, for example, and that his food is prepared. But as the journey continues, that mission, that sense of loyalty is increased. Sam is tested in a lot of different ways, especially by the third film, with figuring out what it means to help Frodo emotionally, spiritually, physically, mentally, psychologically. And these are areas that hobbits don't often venture into.
But through it all, it seems like Sam retains his core.
Sam would be more than happy never to do anything other than garden and drink ale and be with Rosie Cotton. I think that would be plenty for him. But Sam's got something a lot of people could use: good common sense. He's grounded in the earth, feet on the floor. He understands right and wrong.
Some of the scenery you guys traverse is almost surreal. What was it like working in those spots?
We found ourselves in places where you'd look around and think, wow there really are places like this on planet Earth. I mean it looks like a Martian landscape. And that would invariably trigger some other emotional or psychological thought process about portraying a character who would travel through a place like that.
What was it like to be part of Frodo's quest as he nears Mount Doom?
It was an amazing thing as an actor to watch the relationship of Peter Jackson and Elijah Wood. How could Elijah, who is so sweet and has such goodness in him, communicate the idea of trying not to give in to pain and suffering and darkness and hatred and villainy and treachery? You can see it on his face, you can feel it. The audience is in for a real treat--and for a bit of pain.
Can you talk about working with Elijah?
Working with Elijah was the realization of a brotherhood chemistry, onscreen and off. It's hard to put into words how someone like that is so important to you, what they mean to you and what working with them is like.
How do you think the audience will respond to The Return of the King?
Well, Peter Jackson says he's saved the best for last, and I think the third film will unquestionably be the most emotionally satisfying, because it resolves. All the time you've invested, learning about these characters, living in this world, this battle for Middle-earth...now you get to find out what happens.
Post 148
ConnieMarie
Date Posted: Sat Dec 6, 2003 7:23 am
Marea, thank you so much. What an incredible interview.
*sob*
They SO get it. What a beautiful way to describe Sam...and what praise for Elijah! Lovely.
Did you guys see the Primetime Live Special? When they showed the hobbits in that, it was just terrific.
One thing that is special about the films is how they come from incredible talent and inspiration married to humility. I am sure that part of what makes these films the triumph that they are, and what lets the mythic power come through, is there are no earthly egos in the way. Do you know what I mean? LOTR is a labor of love and passion; there is respect and awe; there is GIVING. Whenever they say that first Aragorn was fired, I wonder if he was fired over ego, because the hallmark, the essential feature of the cast and the director, too, is driving passion and talent without ego trip.
PJ, Sean, Elijah, Viggo, Orli...all of 'em seem that way. Don't you think?
Post 149
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Sat Dec 6, 2003 9:32 am
Connie, that's a beautiful song.
And a wonderful interview. I saw that before, and I watched the video clip, and I was thinking (through the tears), that YES, they do GET IT.
And I'm with you Connie, I must be a glutton for punishment, because I have a feeling I'm going to be at the theater every week at least when RotK comes out. Just can't get enough of that angst.
I would agree, it doesn't seem like any of the people involed in the film have ego problems. When they talk about each other, it's always with so much respect at the talent of their colleagues, and friendship, and love. That's really awesome, because that's what LotR is all about, and if they hadn't been able to work well together on set, I doubt the films would be half as good as they are.
Post 150
evenstar1
Date Posted: Sat Dec 6, 2003 12:39 pm
Hello Fishy071 my dear friend!
I also love the track called Return of the king its BEAUTIFUL an Viggo singing is WONDERFUL> I LOVE THE SOUNDTRACK> I already bought one but I have the special one coming on 12/9.
Thanks for the news Marea
An Connie mega talented Connie!! YOu rock!
Best wishes for the weekend to all. Be safe not sorry an get lots of rest! Monday will be here before you know it!
Post 151
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Sat Dec 6, 2003 2:02 pm
Yes...and 10 days 8 hours 4 minutes 58 seconds to go!
Post 152
evenstar1
Date Posted: Sat Dec 6, 2003 2:42 pm
Excited very very very very excited.
Post 153
fishy071
Date Posted: Sat Dec 6, 2003 9:09 pm
Looks like there were some of us online early in the morning. I was online because I was in bed for hours and just couldn't fall asleep. I finally did after I signed off. I am a night person, adn hate mornings.
Through Tolkien works I have found that people can enjoy stories because they arouse emotions. I gradually managed to see why people would want to see heartbreaking things over and over again. Then there’s style and many other things that could make people like a story.
I have found that some people like that feeling of angst, which I don’t like, especially because I have a weak stomach.
In a way, the soundtrack could serve as a present for my birthday yesterday. Same with the ROTK movie ticket. I’ll be at the theater that Tuesday night.
I got my hair cut today.
Thanks for the article, Marea! That is true about Sam. I’ve always seen him as a faithful servant. To me the Frodo and Sam relationship is that of best-friends, like brothers.
ConnieMarie, are you talking about that ABC program on Thursday night? If so, I saw that, and they did talk about the hobbits and their actors.
I agree Froda_baggins, the producers of the movies admired and respected one another, and were such good friends.
Evenstar1, there is a special soundtrack edition coming up?
Post 154
Trasmerg38
Date Posted: Sun Dec 7, 2003 9:03 am
Mornin' All!
Marea, thanks for posting that interview, it was so wonderful!! I can't say how happy I am that they "got it"!
Connie, I've said it before but it's worth another say so. Your song is just so beautiful! I love it! Poor Merry...poor Pip! *sniff*
I, too, am an angst junkie...I've written another poem but it's so depressing I hate to post it here. It's about Frodo's last climb. I'll let you angst fans know when and where it's posted...
For now, I'll just take a peek at the clock.........
9 days 12 hours 59 minutes and 20 seconds
Post 155
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Sun Dec 7, 2003 9:15 am
Oh Traz, yes please tell us when you get it up somewhere! It sounds great!
I know I was reading the last part of TTT last night, and during Shelob's Lair and Sam's fight with her, I had random lines of poetry pop into my head. But I've never written poetry before!
I'm thinking they might just have been lines from "Friend of Friends", becuase I'm so involved in all of this that it's becoming difficult for me to distinguish between my own ideas, and the ideas of others that have just found their way into my subconscious!
Post 156
ConnieMarie
Date Posted: Sun Dec 7, 2003 9:27 am
Traz, dear...
I want to see your new poem NOW. Pretty please? As one Pippin-lovin' gal to another? I think you could post it here if you stuck a warning on the top advising of Extreme Angst or something. After all, this is our Dragon, where we sing and hold forth and swoon and drink together, is it not? Ah...go ahead!
Post 157
fishy071
Date Posted: Sun Dec 7, 2003 4:04 pm
Please let us know about the poem, Traz.
Post 158
evenstar1
Date Posted: Sun Dec 7, 2003 4:25 pm
here ias the link fishy071
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000TAZBK/ref=pd_sim_music_3/104-3568941-2027928?v=glance&;s=music
Post 159
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Sun Dec 7, 2003 6:02 pm
I know everyone's getting really excited about the Gathering this week, and I am very jealous of you all, but I have a bit of news: I think I might go to The One Party to Rule Them All this year!
I just thought you might like to know!
Post 160
fishy071
Date Posted: Sun Dec 7, 2003 7:05 pm
Thanks Evenstar1!
What is this One Party to Rule Them All, Froda_Baggins?
Post 161
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Sun Dec 7, 2003 7:13 pm
It's TheOneRing.net's offical Academy Awards party, held in Hollywood! And I think I'll be able to go!
*Does the Happy Frodo Funky Chicken Dance of DOOM*
Post 162
evenstar1
Date Posted: Sun Dec 7, 2003 7:14 pm
You are welcome fishy071!
I am jealous too I do not get to go to the Gathering!
Post 163
Trasmerg38
Date Posted: Sun Dec 7, 2003 7:27 pm
I had random lines of poetry pop into my head. But I've never written poetry before!
Froda, that was exactly how I started not even a year ago and I ended up with this: my poetry...my first poem, called "Where Are You?", just flowed out onto the paper. You should try it!
Ok, since you all twisted my arm....
Caution: Heavy Angst
This poem is my latest, and was inspired by that heartbreaking picture of Frodo (SPOILER ALERT): Frodo climbing
The Last Gasp
Eyes dim, filled with despair.
Murky darkness veils all.
Wretched gloom is ever present
From this mountain looming nigh,
Spewing forth to smother life
Of which I am a part.
Lips parched, no water found.
The memory of food is lost.
Swollen tongue gets in the way
As crumbs of lembas struggle down.
What little sustenance I find
To aid my waning strength!
Feet scuff the broken path,
Cracked and bleeding, numb with pain.
Each step, they draw me near,
Where the burning depths await.
Up the mountain I must go,
Heedless of the past.
Body bent, desiccated.
Legs coerced to carry forward.
Every step a bold endeavor,
Every inch an aching stride,
All the while drawn to the ground.
How much can I endure?
Hands struggle as I climb,
Avoiding thoughts entertained:
"Take hold of this treasure, yours!
Give in now and slip it on!"
This conflict is so difficult!
Will the struggle end?
Here am I, this final gasp!
The dreaded goal before me gloats,
"What will you do now that you’re here?
Your growing doubt, now fed by fear.
It’s time to make your final choice!"
And the struggle ends...
Post 164
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Sun Dec 7, 2003 7:44
Wow Traz that's some awesome imagery you've got going on there! Wonderful!
I don't know about poetry...I've never been good at it...I never liked having to write it in school.
Then again, that's what I used to say about writing in general, and what happened, but I start to write fanfic.
*shrug*
I might have to try it...once finals are over. *Shudder*
Anyway, enough of those depressing thoughts! Lets get some ale over here!
*raises glass*
To Traz' wonderful new poem, and...to discovering new talents!
And going places and doing things we've never done before!
Post 165
fishy071
Date Posted: Sun Dec 7, 2003 8:47 pm
Nice poem, Traz.
Thanks Froda_Baggins! I'm not sure I can afford the Oscar Party.
I can't wirte poetry, especially when they have to rhyme. I always had trouble with it in school. The same goes for fiction. I only just started some RP in the Nightguards guilds and the thread for those not going to Toronto (Keepers of the Castle), and this weekend, I just started posting in the Pony for Gathering of the Keepers. It began from that Keepers of the Castle thread.
Post 166
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Sun Dec 7, 2003 10:49 pm
fishy: well it'll be tight for me, but GreenLeafLady and I are putting our heads together to get it worked out. Let's hope, eh?
And I must say, if you ever want to write fiction, RPing is a step in the right direction! It certainly was for me!
Post 167
fishy071
Date Posted: Sun Dec 7, 2003 11:00 pm
I'm hoping that RP can knock some creativity into me since I'm not creative. I can only write facts. By facts, I'm saying essays, news, and research papers.
Post 168
Trasmerg38
Date Posted: Mon Dec 8, 2003 6:05 pm
oh Fishy, I'm quite the opposite. I'm horrible at essays, news and such! I have much more fun doing RP although I'm not too good at it. But I always say find what you enjoy and run with it.
Edit to notice a couple hobbits walking into the bar (no, this is not a joke) It's Merry and Pippin. The both say hello at the same time which causes everyone else to notice them too. Cheerful greetings are tossed back and forth across the room, and music mysteriously begins to play.
The hobbits both grin ear to ear as they hop up to the bar for an ale surrounded by several beautiful ladies.
"What are we celebrating?", Pippin asks eagerly.
"We're celebrating the fact that the final installment of the film will be out in most cities next week!"
"What film?" Pippin asks.
Merry rolls his eyes. "Pip, the film about us!"
"Oh, that one!" Pippin shrugs and downs his pint. After he lets out a contented sigh, he looks around. "Sounds like we have some fine music playing...anyone up for a dance?"
Post 169
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Mon Dec 8, 2003 8:50 pm
Traz, I totally agree. Find what you love to do, and go do it!
A dance eh? I suppose I would be up for a dance! Traz, you can take that fool of a Took, and I'll take this blockhead of a Brandybuck, and then maybe we can switch off later eh? I need something to get my mind off impending finals and financial worries!
"Well," says Merry, clearly not affronted at all by being called a blockhead, "a dance is just the thing then!"
And away we go!
Post 170
fishy071
Date Posted: Mon Dec 8, 2003 9:57 pm
Fishy071 approaches the hobbits, and says, "You are famous. You and your friends are all important.
That's good, Traz. We're different, with different strengths adn weaknesses. I tend to think more scientifically, with logic adn reason.
Right now I need some time to pull myself together, because everyone is probably mad at me, especially TORC members right now. As I mentioned before I take forever to figure things out, and while everyone gets things I just can't figure them out.
When I'm doing somehting wrong, I prefer people to point them out right away, instead of waiitng. I also prefer that instead of giving me indirect signals, they be specific about it. However, that usually doesn't seem to be the case. Right now I just feel that I can't do anything right.
I have been participating in threads for those not going to the Gathering. I've tried RPs for those not going, and in other guilds. However, despite the fact that I read rules and other people's posts I just can't seem to get it right. It's like everything I do I just have to make at least one mistake while eveyrone just understands and follows the instructions, and has no trouble.
I know I have a tendency to repeat things, but I often feel people are just not listening to me (even the first time I say it). If they respond, they don't seem to mean it, or they give insufficient responses. I just get this feeling that people just quickly come up with a response to push me away. Then I tend to think people forget what I said as well. I also tend to get obsessed with things, too.
Maybe I just can't do anything right. I must have some kind of cursed life.
If you're all mad at me, I understand.
Post 171
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Mon Dec 8, 2003 10:44 pm
Now fishy, why on earth would we be mad at you? You have as much right to your opinion as anyone else here.
And everyone makes mistakes! If you don't completely understand something the first time, don't give up! Try it and if you still don't get it ask questions! People will listen and treat you with respect if you are honest.
The dance ends, and bowing to Froda, Merry heads over to fishy as the music starts up again. "May I have this dance?" he asks with that lopsided grin of his.
Post 172
fishy071
Date Posted: Tue Dec 9, 2003 12:48
Merry approaches Fishy071 and asks for a dance. She replies, "All right!"
Whenever I make mistakes and people complain about them, I start thinking eveyrone is going to hate me for making them, for being selfish and irresponsible, and refusing to cooperate. I also make a lot more mistakes than anyone.
Just 1 or 2 complaints/criticisms or mistakes is enough to make me think I can't do anything right. However, it will take many compliments and successes before I think I can do something right.
When people point out mistakes, I start to recall things my family said to me, such as:
"No one is as stupid as you!"
"You're the meanest person in your class!"
"In a contest, you'll get last place!"
"You always mess things up!"
"You can't do anything right!"
Post 173
Trasmerg38
Date Posted: Tue Dec 9, 2003 6:51 am
I often feel people are just not listening to me (even the first time I say it). If they respond, they don't seem to mean it, or they give insufficient responses. I just get this feeling that people just quickly come up with a response to push me away. Then I tend to think people forget what I said as well.
Traz hugs Fishy
I know how you feel, I have often felt that way myself. But I have finally realized (whether it's true or not) that this is the nature of public boards. You can't take it personally or it will ruin your fun! Be confident about the posts you make, and if there's a mistake don't worry about it. Correct it to the best of your abilities and keep on truckin'. Nobody is perfect on these boards, or anywhere for that matter! We all love you and are glad to have you around! I'll buy you a pint after I have my dance......
Traz glances over at Pippin who is politely waiting off to the side.
"Ready, Master Took?"
"Ready, Miss Traz", he says with a grin, and away we go!
Post 174
fishy071
Date Posted: Tue Dec 9, 2003 5:34 pm
Thanks Traz! I only drink water.
Actually for people not paying attention to me, I often feel that in real life as well.
I'm also very resistant to change, so I get upset when I hear I have to change, mostly because I'm afraid no matter how It ry, I can't do it, and people are going to hate me for it.
Post 175
WendyLadyofLothlorien
Date Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2003 12:06 am
Hello everyone here...
Wendy calls Rosie over and orders herself a nice pint of the best Somerset cider...
"Rosie...get everyone else in here a drink too...I haven't been in here for such a long time that I feel quite neglectful,and I think that means it's my round !!!"
Wendy laughs and takes a long drink from her glass...
Fishy,
I don't know you at all well, but it seems to me that you are suffering from a massive dose of high-grade insecurity right now...and all I can say is that we've all been there at some point in our lives, ( and in some of our cases, that is a very long time indeed ) so you're in good company here ...just don't let it get you down too much, and especially try to ignore ANYONE who tries to tell you that you are in any way worthless, as this is not in the least helpful to anyone, least of all, you !!!
I agree that criticism should be constructive in order to be helpful at all, so perhaps, if you think that you're causing trouble in the RP Forums through lack of knowledge, you could certainly consider asking for some pointers from someone who is very experienced in the business of RP...in my opinion, people are usually SO flattered to be asked that they will give you any advice that you ask for,...do you see what I'm getting at ?...
It's all about turning a negative situation into a positive one...Instead of carrying on making mistakes and annoying people, if that IS what you're doing,...
A) you'll benefit by getting useful pointers...
B) the thread concerned will benefit by getting a more useful contributor,
and C) the advisor will benefit by getting to feel VERY flattered that they were asked...there - everyone's happy !!!...
Try it and see what happens...
Post 176
fishy071
Date Posted: Wed Dec 10,
Thanks Wendy! It was also the shame and embarassment that got to me, as well as panic. Mistakes tend to make me panic. Then there was some misunderstanding. I've tried my best to straighten out the misunderstandings and apologize, so I'm hoping no one is upset.
Post 177
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2003 9:04 am
Another thing: Don't let people walk all over you. Do your homework, and keep in mind that your opinion matters. If you have a question or aren't sure about something, take the initiative and ask! No one will know you're having a problem unless you speak up! And if someone starts to hassle you, remember that you don't have to accept that.
Oh, and don't panic! It's just an RP and it's not the end of the world if you make a few mistakes. Everyone does when they first start, it takes a while to get the hang of it. I'm sure even some of the most skilled RPers here did some embarrassing things when they first started. Don't let it make you feel inadequate.
Post 178
Sunshine_10
Date Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2003 9:52 am
Could I join in the board to? I'll bring the ale! or no thats someone elses job isn't it? *sigh* may I join
*sunshine*
Post 179
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2003 10:15 am
Hey, we have a newcomer!
Rosie, let's give her a proper welcome!
"Aye, Mistress Froda!" says Rosie with a smile as she promptly serves up a pint of ale to the guest. Pippin walks towards the newcomer, winking at Froda as he passes. He bows low before her, and says in his most 'gentlemanly' manner, "Welcome to the Green Dragon, M'lady. May I have the honor of dancing with you?"
Post 180
Sunshine_10
Date Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2003 10:40 am
The new comer replies to Pippin: Of course you may!
Hello, thanks for the welcome. I was a bit nervous asking to join. But thanks for making me feel welcome , and for the Pint
*sunshine*
Post 181
Trasmerg38
Date Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2003 11:50 am
Welcome Sunshine! I'm not the best welcomer of the bunch, but here we are all friends new and old, and we are very glad to have you join us! This is the best Pub in TORC if I do say so myself!
Post 182
Orangeblossom_Bumbleroot
Date Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2003 1:28 pm
Welcome Sunshine! Pull up a chair and make yourself to home.
I haven't had much time to spend on the boards the last few days...Christmas shopping, decorating, and working on a drawing for a Christmas present for my son's girlfriend. The drawing's taking up more time than anything.
Anyway,I love the verses that have been shared an look forward to more.
To everyone leaving soon on their way to Toronto, HAVE A GREAT TIME AND I'LL MISS YOU!
Post 183
Tanwen_Luthien
Date Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2003 3:23 pm
Welcome Sunny!
I hope the ale and company is to your liking
Post 184
Sunshine_10
Date Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2003 4:55 pm
Thanks to all, I feel really special now
Tanwen_Luthien: everyone here is to my liking already! and you are the first in a while to call me Sunny! Thanks for bringing it back to life! They are like family...(even though I don't know them well yet, hoping that will change)!
The Gathering sounds like the greatest time in the world...I live in Ontario but not close enough to Toronto..but everyone can come over if they want and we can have our own Gathering!
*sunshine*
-but to all, call me sunny!-
Post 185
ConnieMarie
Date Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2003 6:40 pm
I have been away for DAYS, and looks at all that happens!
First of all, greetings to Sunny. The Dragon is such a lovely place to put up your feet and spend some time with others who love LOTR. Welcome!
Fishy, I'm so sorry you've been through so much "pain and doubt" (as Boromir put it) lately. Most of us here fall somewhere on the "geeky" spectrum; I think everyone can relate to not often feeling like you know what's going on or what's expected of you out there in the so-called "Real World". I swear, one of my worst moments each day is having to pick up my kids from school. I feel SO like I just don't fit in with the other moms at all and whatever I say or do feels WRONG half the time. I can't wait to get out of there. I can spiral downward, kind of like you described, where you blow it, and then you think they all think you're an idiot, and then it's even harder to interact...etc.
Part of what's been really great about meeting people on TORC and all these experiences relating to LOTR these past 2 years has been this kind of epiphany that allowed me to kind of embrace that "geek" identity, knowing when I've gotta fake it out there, but also knowing I can appreciate the "geek" in myself and others.
Hey. Elijah's a self-proclaimed geek. Isn't that the coolest thing?
Oh, and TRAZ! I beg for your poem and then leave for days and don't hear it! Oh, bad me!
It's lovely --what wrenching, torturous images...! Ai yai yai. I think this one is VERY good, Traz, very special. It HURTS to read it, which means an angst-lover like myself approves heartily! Ow.
As for the Gathering...yes! Only a few more days to go. Have you guys heard that GREAT song by Urban Tapestry (a band performing at the Gathering) called "Waiting for Frodo"? It's SO funny and so right on! If you go to their website you can hear it. They have lots of cool songs, although they are not all LOTR-ish.
Post 186
fishy071
Date Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2003 9:07 pm
Welcome Sunshine_10! Please join us.
Thanks Froda_Baggins and ConnieMarie! I’m still glad I found this site.
Holidays and finals have been keeping me busy as well. I think I also got overwhelmed by too many mistakes. My family makes big deals over every mistake I make, so I’m glad they don’t know about TORC and other things. Other that what I mentioned, I forgot to set my alarm, and missed my first class yesterday. Then I forgot an appointment. I was like, “Is there no end to this?” I’m checking to make sure my alarm is properly set, and going over my calendar again.
Post 187
Tanwen_Luthien
Date Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2003 10:09 pm
Just a note for fellow Aussies (If there are any here), the Best of Both Worlds LOTR convention is on in Canberra on the 13-14 of March. Dominic Monaghan will be there... but I don't think anyone else important would bother coming here.
Check the website for more details:
www.bobw.com.au
Post 188
fishy071
Date Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2003 10:58 pm
Thanks Tanwen_Luthien! I just checked the website. It sounds interesting.
Post 189
HONEYELF
Date Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2003 1:12 am
Hullo all!
Just popping by briefly! Welcome, Sunny!
Fishy, sounds like you're having a hard time! {{{{{Hug}}}}} Don't let it get you down. The family life you describe sounds so familiar to me; my own family was rather like that. Actually I think in the long run it made me stronger. One of those "what doesn't kill you..." things I suppose. I can't tell you how good it feels to have finally found my confidence! It can happen to you too! Behave confidently, even if you don't feel it. What Froda said about asking advice is spot-on! Alot of mistakes come from not wanting to be a bother, and muddling through on your own. Experience is a great teacher, but too much negative feed-back can certainly shatter our sense of worth.
You know today I was thinking of Sam (how unusual! ) and it occured to me how he came from all those horrible experiences able to appreciate the simplest blessings! How lovely! "Oh, another wish come true!" Then I went to Bible study tonight, and one woman was relating how her husband, who was of college age during the height of the Viet Nam war but never drafted, became apathetic about life in general. The contrast between the two approaches was striking. Tolkien actually did go to war and all but two of his friends died, I believe. From what little I have read about JRRT so far, it seems he was more like Sam; able to come back from that experience with an appreciation of the simplest things. What is the difference I wonder.
Do you all remember those "All I Know I Learned From..." posters of a few years ago? Was there a LoTR one? (I was a Tolkien virgin in those days.) Well, there ought to have been.
All I Know I Learned from "Lord of the Rings" by the hangers-on at the Green Dragon! (Mind if I start? )
1. Any obstacle can be overcome with hope and love.
2. Be grateful for the simple things.
Care to add to my list?
Honey!
Post 190
fishy071
Date Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2003 1:33 am
Thanks HONEYELF! I think Tolkien portrayed himself through his characters.
LOTR can teach us quite a bit.
3. Just a small thing can make a big difference.
4. What Sam said in his speech in TTT.
5. I'm probably only doing good things for rewards, avoiding punishment, and selfish reasons. I probably am actually evil and don't care about others. The One Ring will test my true personality, and I would probably be the first to be corrupted by it and Sauron. (In other words, is there such thing as alturistic personlaity?)
It supported some of the quotes I put in my e-mail to friends:
Cooperation, not competition!
There is no such thing as gender, race, creed, abilities, physical traits, or social class, but there is such thing as personality. We need to plunge the surface: the interior is more important.
Post 191
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2003 2:26 pm
hehe. Honey, and now Sunny!
Great idea though!
6. With friendship and cooperation, one can accomplish the most amazing things.
7. You can't know your own personal strength until that strength is tested.
Post 192
Trasmerg38
Date Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2003 4:03 pm
This one hits home for me:
8. Set long term goals but take it one day at a time....and stick to it!
Post 193
Marea
Date Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2003 4:27 pm
9. We don't need to worry about all that might happen to us in life -all we must decide is what to do with the time that is given to us.
10. Often it is the simple that confound the wise.
11. Sometimes, all it takes to become a hero is the willingness to keep taking One Step More...
These only scratch the surface, but I seem to have run out of profundity tonight...
Post 194
HONEYELF
Date Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2003 5:02 pm
How could we forget?
12. Even the smallest person can change the world.
13. Sometimes only a woman can do the job!
14. "Do not spoil the wonder with haste!" L. Greenleaf, prince of Mirkwood.
Post 195
fishy071
Date Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2003 5:53 pm
Those are all good lessons, and I like stories that teach good lessons.
Froda_Baggins, you pretty much said what I was saying in my e-mail quote.
Marea, I like how you put in Gandalf’s words, the words of a wise one. Then I remember the essay by ConnieMarie in the Reading Room called One More Step. I made a link to that essay in one of my articles.
HONEYELF, what Galadriel said supports one of my e-mail quotes as well, one I didn’t mention: Six years before today, I wrote in my diary, “No matter what, I still feel that everyone is an important part of my life....” Then the part about woman is true at times. I won’t say any more about that because there are male posters, too.
I have another one. Actually it supports one of my beliefs:
16. War is not the answer (Melkor and Sauron are in a way like Hitler, Hussein, and Bin Laden).
Post 196
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2003 9:49 pm
Actually fishy, I might amend that one slightly in saying "war is not the answer, but sometimes it becomes necessary to fight to defend those we love".
Post 197
fishy071
Date Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2003 10:24 pm
That is true when you meet unreasonable people.
Post 198
Sunshine_10
Date Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2003 6:28 am
It is kind of hard to control yourself from really letting those unreasonable people have it...its just like they don't want to give up! Oh well, thats the way some people are I guess...I don't like war though.
*sunny*
Post 199
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2003 11:31 am
Yes Sunny, I think that's what Tolkien thought as well. It's obvious he didn't like war, he certainly didn't glorify it, but I think he also knew that sometimes it becomes a necessary evil, when your country and/or your people are in danger. When that happens, there is no choice but to defend them, and sometimes that means fighting. The war against Sauron was inevitable, because if they had not fought it, they would have all been enslaved or killed.
Post 200
Rosie_the_hobbit
Date Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2003 12:06 pm
War must be, while we defend our lives against a destroyer who would devour all; but I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend.
-Faramir, The Two Towers
I haven't posted in a while, and I'm afraid I don't have time to write more. Just saying hi.
Post 201
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2003 12:30 pm
Yes, Rosie, thanks for the quote!
Post 202
fishy071
Date Posted: Fri Dec
I agree with that quote, Rosie_the_hobbit. I think Tolkien agrees with us about war not being hte answer, but is necessary with those like Sauron. Hitler, Hussein, and Bin Laden are Saurons in real life.
Post 203
Sunshine_10
Date Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2003 8:52 pm
yes you alll have a point. Tolkien didn't glorify it. He went through WW1 too, so he must have had that experience to relate to when writing his books...perhaps?
*sunny*
Post 204
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2003 10:24 pm
Oh I definitely think his experience in WWI had a lot of influence on his work. Losing so many friends like that, he was right at the forefront of the loss and pain and horror. Also, his son fought in WWII, and I can't even imagine what that was like, worrying whether his son would live or die, from one day to the next. Terrible.
Post 205
fishy071
Date Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2003 10:54 pm
I've read things about Tolkien's life on the internet, and everytime I read about his life I feel sorry for him. He was an orphan and he faced war. His books portrayed his life.
By the way, I saw the ROTK trailer in the theater today when I saw Elf. It was like the one I downloaded and watched on the internet, except the graphics were much clearer, and the effect stronger.
When the words, There can be no triumph without loss... no victory without suffering... no freedom without sacrifice, appeared I almost burst into tears. I was like, "Please, don't remind me!"
Post 206
Sunshine_10
Date Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2003 11:56 am
For my history class, we had to pick a person to do our independant study on. My teacher suggested to me, to do Tolkien. His life was really hard. He went through so much. then I cam across where the beren and Luthien story, and everything clicked. Even on their grave stone under their names says "beren" and "luthien" I thought it was so beautiful.
Fishy:thats so awesome when u say the ROTK trailer....did you stand up and say "thats what I'm talking about"? lol, ah yes...we wont um go there...yes...
*sunny*
Post 207
Sunshine_10
Date Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2003 11:57 am
sorry dp
Post 208
WendyLadyofLothlorien
Date Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2003 3:28 pm
Hi all...and Welcome to Sunny...
I just thought I'd dash in here tonight and let you all know that LOTR has just won "The Big Read" on BBC 2, literally in the last few minutes...
This was a contest to find the best-loved book in Britain today...
Here's my thread :-
The Big Read
Post 209
fishy071
Date Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2003 8:31 pm
Right Sunny, Tolkien didn't have a very good life, especially in his younger days. As I mentioned, everytime I read about Tolkien's life, I feel sorry for him. I didn't stand up and yell at the theater. I don't like drawing attention.
Post 210
Sunshine_10
Date Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2003 6:22 am
Fishy: sorry I didn't mean to sound, that way...please accept my apologies..I was with some friends and the commercial came on and I told them all to quiet...yes..very embarrassing,...
Who's all going to see ROTK on Wed?
*sunny*
Post 211
fishy071
Date Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2003 3:55 pm
I didn't take it as an offense, Sunny. That must have been embarassing for you and your friends. I'm going to the midnight showing tomorrow (after my final).
Post 212
Sunshine_10
Date Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2003 4:11 pm
*stares jaw drop open* you are going tomorrow...night?! at 12? have fun fishy! here *passes lots of popcorn* that might help! thats so awesome that you get to go. Your exams are right now? wow we are really behind here! but enjoy!
*sunny*
Post 213
fishy071
Date Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2003 6:04 pm
Thanks Sunny! Right, this is finals week for us, but I was never in school mode this semester, especially when I hated my schedule and classmates, as well as some of the professors.
Post 214
Sunshine_10
Date Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 6:18 am
fishy that is totally rotten, not liking your proffesors and not liking your class, thats gotta be hard...have fun tonight!! What kind of courses are you taking?
*Sunny*
Post 215
fishy071
Date Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 11:23 am
I took Biochem and Medical Ethics. I'm at a party school, where most of the students are just so improper. To tell the truth, I don't really need the Biochem class, especially after me change of plans. It's a long story. My Medical Ethics professor is rude, picky, and subjective.
Update: I think I need to see ROTK to accept the changes from the book.
Post 216
Sunshine_10
Date Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 6:32 am
I agree, there are some teachers around here who can't just take a joke, or they can't even smile! but thankfully that is only one of them...out faculty is only made up of maybe 25 teachers at most...ROTK, were there lots of changes made? *takes a sip from Pint*
*Sunny*
Post 217
fishy071
Date Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 7:51 pm
Since college I've never had good impressions on professors. I remember some of my friends saying that they can't believe professors eating because they thought that "professors take in the spirits of students."
ROTK had changes like the previous two, but I thought some were unnecessary. For example, I thought the Shelob scene was too long. They did keep many of the main points of the books, but they took out too many important things. I think I was too mad at the changes to burst into tears over the emotional parts.
My reactions towards the ending of LOTR were also another thing that got me thinking people are mad at me, and want to kick me off TORC. Just now, I posted some of my opinions in another thread, and...
Fishy...just for you, here's a rewrite of The Lord of the Rings that you'd probably enjoy much more than that nasty violent, upsetting horrid thing which that Tolkien bloke wrote...
Once upon a time there was a hobbit called Frodo. He had three friends, their names were Sam, Merry and Pippin and they all lived together in a hole called Bag End. One day a wizard called Gandalf came to their house, "Would you like to go on an adventure?" he asked, removing his pointy red hat and patting his favourite reindeer on the head.
Frodo thought about this for a moment before replying, "No thankyou, I think we'd rather stay here and have a jolly nice time."
Gandalf chuckled and his huge belly wobbled merrily, "Very well then, presents for everyone!" and with that he pulled out his sack and gave out lots of presents.
Frodo and his friends were delighted, "Goodness gracious!" he ejaculated, "This is simply splendid!"
Soon the ruccus in the room attracted the attention of his Uncle Bilbo who ran into the room to see what the fuss was all about, "Oh bless me!" he cried, "This calls for a celebration!"
With that he ran back into the kitchen and began excavating all sorts of wonderful food fit for a party. There were eggs and salad, pies and cakes, ice cream and lots and lots of mushrooms!
As the chums were tucking into their feast there was another knock at the door, "It's Legolas and Gimli!" cried Frodo, ushering them in to join the party.
"And me!" said Aragorn.
"And me!" said Tom Bombadil.
"And me!" said Bill the Pony.
"And me!" said Sauron.
"Help!" said everyone else because Sauron was thought to be a really mean old fellow and his pointy armour kept ripping the curtains.
"Don't be scared," said Sauron with a lighthearted grin, "Presents for everyone!"
And so everyone quite forgave the old villain and they had a ripping good time with lovely presents and they all lived Happily Ever After together in Bag End forever.
The End.
(There, now that's much better isn't it?)
Post 218
Sunshine_10
Date Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 7:27 am
Someone actually wrote that fishy? for you? why? what thread is that in if you don't mind me asking. If you ask me, what they wrote was immature, not to be rude or anything. Everyone has their own opinions don't they? that includes what you want to think and no one can change that. Don't let it affect you, you are better than that, but they still should never had said that...its mean.
*sunny*
EDIT:I found the thread, I was trying to avoid reading what people had to say, but I can't believe who said it! I've seen them before in the music forums, but didn't they try to apologize or was that a joke?
Post 219
fishy071
Date Posted: Thu
They did apologize after I made a complaint. Some people just can't accept others' opinions, and I've noticed that many people are not aware that just because someone said something bad about the movies doesn't mean that they don't appreciate it. Many people who like the movie will complain about it, too.
The originator of the thread said that he made it for ROTK appreciation. If he didn't want complaints about the movie, he should have said so in the first post.
Post 220
Trasmerg38
Date Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2003 10:52 am
Where is everyone?
I have to say that was the most awesome movie I have ever seen in my life! It had it's weak points....too rushed in spots, mostly....but overall, WOW!!! An emotional ride for sure!
I'm ready for a pint........BARTENDER!!! Drinks for everyone!
*sigh*
So many emotions!
I'm happy, I finally have closure.....sad, so many sad endings!.....relieved, that PJ didn't let me down.....wondering, will the EE fill in the right gaps??.....upset (but not really), that there were so many changes. I say not really because the way it was changed didn't hurt the story at all, but made for a very good theatrical presentation.
It's still all a blur, after just one viewing. I don't get many chances to go to the movies.....it takes some finagling to get there!.....but I'll be seeing it again soon!
Can't wait!!!
squeeeeeeeeee
Post 221
Orangeblossom_Bumbleroot
Date Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2003 11:21 am
Just thought I'd pop my head and say hi, but I haven't been feeling very up lately, so I'll say a couple things and duck out.
I like the list that was started and if I think of anything to add I'll come back.
ConnieMarie...I can relate to how you feel that you don't fit in. I've always felt that way, especially the last few years. I've gotten so I spend more time alone, rather than put myself in uncomfortable situations. I don't know if this is necessarily a better way to deal with it.
Fishy...You're encounter with rudeness is one reason I've become more solitary. It seems that there are getting to be more people around who want walk all over others and care only for themselves. But hang in there. Like I said before, you're a wonderful person, and don't forget that!!
I have to admit that what I've been reading on the boards lately has been triggering a lot of my stuff, and that's why I've been isolating.
It's great that people can talk about this with others on some of these threads, and try to make sense of what is going on. Sometimes finding sense in all this can be pretty difficult.
Post 222
Tanwen_Luthien
Date Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2003 8:34 pm
GAH!! MUST SEE ROTK!!!
I got the photo guide as an early Chrissie gift, but I am not allowing myself to look at it untill I have seen the movie.
Hey, I just realised how close Christmas is!
I'm going to Caloundra with friends and family.
What are you guys doing?
Post 223
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2003 9:59 pm
I just got back from my second viewing and wow, it's even better than last time! It didn't seem quite so rushed, and I was really able to just sit back and..let it happen. Great stuff.
Christmas? What's that? Oh, yeah! I'm going to be with my family as well.
Post 224
fishy071
Date Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 2:58 am
I wondered the same thing, Traz. TORC has been quiet, but it could be due to the Gathering. I felt the movie rushed, too.
Thanks Orangeblossom_Bumbleroot!
Orangeblossom_Bumbleroot and ConnieMarie, I often feel I don’t fit in as well. That’s one reason I tend to be in solitude. Another reason is many people today are not good. Finally, I’m often busy.
I just saw ROTK a 2nd time, and finished writing about it in my diary. People were cheering and clapping at some of the scenes again. I also heard laughter and sniffles. During the Grey Havens scene, I heard sniffles, and the guy sitting next to me asked, "You're not crying, are you?" I quickly said no to shut him up, because he was interrupting my viewing. It was true: I was near to tears, but they didn't fall. I saw soem people leaving after the Green Dragon Inn scene, and most of the people left when the credits came. As I sang with Annie Lennox, someone in the row in front of mine turned around and looked at me.
Tomorrow I must head for my parents’ house for Winter Break.
Post 225
Tanwen_Luthien
Date Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2003 3:27 am
I don't fit in as well. I guess TORC is the place where people who don't fit in...well...fit in!
Post 226
JewelSong
Date Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2003 4:02 am
Hey, everyone! This is the Green Dragon - a place for merriment, frolic and occasional squeeing over the hobbits/actors!!! What's with all the psycho-babble and gloom and doom? C'mon!!!
Constantly talking about how you don't fit in doesn't tend to make you fit in any better, if you take my meaning. At any rate, we set up the Green Dragon as a place to get away from the usual seriousness of life and the more serious discussions in Books. So, please. Feel free to come in, have a pint, (or two!) talk about the movies and the hobbits and the actors who play them. If you're lucky, Merry and Pippin may join us and Rosie and Sam (when they can get away) sometimes are part of the group as well. Frodo has even been known to partake once in a while, although he tends to be more reticent than the others.
Keep it light, keep it lively and all will be well.
Post 227
Marea
Date Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2003 6:58 am
Hear, hear Jewel. Well said. I agree with you completely.
I think its high time we had a Yule Party in here, what do you say?
Who's with me?
Post 228
Trasmerg38
Date Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2003 4:42 pm
Party? Did someone say Party?!! Well, count me in!
Traz finds the back kitchen and disappears for a few hours, returning (only slightly splattered with flour) with trays of cookies, fudge (some with nuts, some without) and various types of homemade candy. She also brings in a large punchbowl filled with spiced eggnog.
The eggnog has just the right amount of "nog", if you take my meaning!
I guess there should be decorations, but I'm terrible at that sort of thing.....I'm much better at baking.
Post 229
JewelSong
Date Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2003 4:47 pm
Jewel arrives dragging a huge pine tree and sets it up in one corner of the Dragon. She then unpacks a bag full of hand-made ornaments and shiny things which she proceeds to hang on the branches. By this time, Merry and Pippin have joined in and are throwing tinsel around - some of it actually hits the tree. It begins to look festive!
A large pot of popcorn is produced and Rosie appears with several large needles and some strong string...let's get those popcorn garlands up! Pippin suggests that to do a really good job, we all need more ale (or egg nog) and Merry concurs. The fire is blazing and the room is filled with cheer and merriment and good will.
Maybe we'll have some singing later!
Post 230
Trasmerg38
Date Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2003 5:38 pm
Ahh, music! I can do a bit of that too....well, a little anyways.
Traz digs deep in her bag and pulls out her wooden flute and starts tooting some holiday tunes....as people finally recognize the tune, the start singing.
Away in a manger,
no crib for his bed.
The little Lord Jesus
lay down his sweet head.
The stars in the sky
look down where he lay,
the little Lord Jesus
asleep in the hay.
The cattle are lowing,
the poor baby wakes.
But little Lord Jesus
no crying he makes!
I love thee Lord Jesus
look down from the sky
and stay by my cradle
til morning is nigh.
Post 231
Sunshine_10
Date Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2003 7:37 pm
*Sunny looks around* Party, may I come?
Fishy: someone stared at you for singing? err to them....
*sunny*
Post 232
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2003 9:09 pm
Froda walks in, smiling happily.
A little hobbit mentioned a Yule Party! I come bearing homemade gingerbread!
Great song Traz!
Froda digs around in her bag, and pulls out some sheet music, handing it to Traz. Traz begins to play, Froda to sing, and everyone sings along!
Deck the halls with boughs of holly, falalalala lalalala!
'Tis the season to be jolly, falalalala lalalala!
Don we now our gay apparel, falala lalala lalala!
Toll the ancient yuletide carol, falalalala lalalala!
Post 233
fishy071
Date Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2003 11:04 pm
Fishy071 helps decorate the trees adn sets out some Christmas cookies.
Right, Sunny, they turned around and looked at me.
JewelSong and Marea, that's what I like about this thread. The people here are nice, and try to fit everyone in. I can also share my problems without being put down.
I've been having an upset stomach since last night, and today it has been really upset. It started after problems with some people. Well, I cna't say any more without violating TOS.
Post 234
JewelSong
Date Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2003 2:54 am
Now, see, fishy - THAT'S the kind of thing we are trying to combat in here...negative talk and gloomy thoughts! Things happen to all of us, but in here, we basically forget about them and make merry!!! Merry looks up quizzically. "It's an expression," I explain, "Not...oh, never mind!" Merry grins as he continues to hang the garland.
Post 235
fishy071
Date Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2003 6:12 pm
Sorry JewelSong. I edited the post. My panicking has caused so much trouble.
Post 236
Marea
Date Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2003 7:10 pm
Marea comes out of the Kitchen bearing a warm mug in hand and gives it to Fishy. It is chamomile tea with a little bit of honey in it. It is good for stomach aches and calms the nerves as well.. so what else could possibly be better?
Drink up m'dear... and then we put you to work. We have to get this tinsel the hobbits have been throwing around off the floor before Twinkletoes the cat decides that it looks good to eat. (ever have a cat?)
Anyone bring mistletoe? We HAVE to have mistletoe, what with That Movie just coming out and we all reminded how most any trouble we encounter hardly compares to the fate of Gondor in the dark, desperate days, or of the hurts experienced by Merry, courtesy of the Witch King, or Pippin, courtesy of a troll, or most of all of our dearest Frodo and Sam, in their long journeys in Mordor.
Who besides me had an insane desire to dash into the screen during the worst moments of all that, bearing cool water and food and a moist washcloth and a first aid kit, and some elves with bring swords, and maybe a all terrain vehicle, and....
But that's all over... the war is done, and the hobbits are back here, and it is Yule, and their lives are going on, and we're with them, and if you've got an itch to spoil some short, stalwart heros with attention and food and diverse amusement... you ain't never gonna get a better opportunity than right here!
So hang that mistletoe high, and bring out the Honey Apple Home Brew, and the egg nog with rum, and the assorted sweets and savories, and whatever mustical instruments are handy. (Hobbit kareoke - sort of - anyone?)
We have GOT to get Pippin to sing... agreed?
Those wouldn't possibly be some peanuts over there in that basket that need throwing?
Gee... I being unemployed I didn't get an office party this year and I've kind of been missing it. But this is going to be MUCH Better
(Somehow I feel a REALLY late night coming on.)
In case I do not touch base with everyone by the holiday, I want to wish all those who among us who post and/or lurk a very Happy Christmas if you will be celebrating that holiday, to those who are celebrating the Festival of Lights right now a Happy Chanukah... and for all us of Shire lovers... a Happy Yule.
Post 237
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2003 8:29 pm
Merry Christmas everyone!
I just had to say that again lol.
Merry smiles indulgently at Froda. The band starts up, a rousing yuletide tune, and Merry graciously asks Froda for a dance. He is very spirited, twirling her around the room to the lively beat, and when the music stops, Merry notices something above her head. Froda looks up and blushes furiously; they've made their way directly under the mistletoe. Froda leans forward and kisses him...right on the tip of the nose! Merry looks at her for a moment, then leans forward and kisses Froda full on the lips.
Post 238
Trasmerg38
Date Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2003 9:14 pm
As the festivities get lively, Traz finally makes up her mind to do what she has been wanting to do for who knows how long. Ears flushed, she walks up to Pippin and nudges him to get his attention. He looks at her and smiles, but the smile fades as he looks questioningly at her.
"Is there something the matter? You look like you need some air."
"Ummm no, actually, I uhh........"
She hesitates for a moment, then shrugs. Taking him by the hand, she leads him under the mistletoe and gives him a kiss square on the mouth. He looks as startled as she does, and then they both burst out laughing.
"Ok, now I'm ready for a honey apple home brew! Pippin, you may need one yourself, because it's your turn to sing us a song!!!"
Post 239
fishy071
Date Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2003 10:50 pm
Fishy071 accepts the cup from Marea.
Thanks!
Sorry I don't have much time to post. I'm going on a family trip for a week, which means no computer.
Post 240
Sunshine_10
Date Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2003 8:56 am
No computer that means no TORC I feel really bad for you. Have fun though..
*sunny*
Post 241
CaMinx
Date Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2003 6:26 am
CaMinx enters dressed in red from head to toe carrying a huge bowl of eggnog for all. Behind her rolls a tea setting with cookies, fudge and candy.
Merry Christmas to all!!
Post 242
Tinewen
Hobbit Friend
Date Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2003 5:58 pm
A late Merry Christmas and an early Happy New Year to you all. I am celebrating the fact that I have at last seen "the movie" and have since been overwhelmed by the fantastic job that Peter Jackson, the cast and crew have done. Three cheers for them all!
Hip, hip hooray!
Hip, hip hooray!
Hip, hip hooray!
I am also celebrating the return of my computer! And with the hard drive intact - there was a danger that I had lost it! *Hugs computer*
I have found some quotes from Elijah Wood and Peter Jackson regarding certain scenes from ROTK. (Comes from 'lurking' on other messageboards )I’m not sure if anyone has posted them here before and I am going to admit to being too lazy to go back and catch up on the pages I’ve missed! So just in case, here they are.
This comes from an online site called Latino Review, it is an edited excerpt (for the language, thanks Elijah ) of an interview. This is EW discussing his last day of shooting pickups for ROTK:
"That was in June. Different actors were sort of spanned out over a period of time but, God, it was, it's difficult to actually articulate how we felt. I mean, me personally, I couldn't really come to terms with it. I couldn't believe it after four years, that it was all coming to an end. My last day, I was completely drained. I had knots in my stomach all day, and it came time to do my last shot, and Peter, the last shot was actually very, it was too perfect. Actually, because the last shot was one of the last scenes in the movie, where Frodo is in Bag-End before he goes to the gray haven. So there's a shot where he's writing the last bit of the book and Sam comes and says, 'It's all over,' and Frodo says 'No, there's room for a little more,' and it had this whole meaning tied into it. That's the last shot! Hearing me say the line knowing it's my last shot and also the symbolism of the scene and I'm like, 'oh ****** hell!' And everybody came on to see it, and I remember we did five or six takes, I don't know how many we did, and they checked the gate, and Peter came over to me and broke down, like gave me a hug and broke down on my shoulder. It was so, so sad--everybody was crying."
from CHUD.com
The ending of the movie, as you know from the books, has Gollum biting off Frodo's finger and then accidentally falling into the lava flow within Mt. Doom. Peter Jackson had told us they'd filmed the version for the movie - where Frodo battles Gollum and actually pushes him over the edge - two different times and two different ways. We asked Wood about which version he preferred - the one where Frodo is desirous of getting the ring back and the one where he's trying to knock the ring into the lava. "The first version that we shot, I think was not ambiguous enough as to whether Frodo pushed Gollum off or it was an accident," Wood explained. "I think the first version that we shot also may have happened too easily. Frodo, his finger's bitten off, he stands up and looks at Gollum, runs at him and Gollum falls off. We wanted there to be a bit more ambiguity within that particular moments as to the actual motivation for Frodo running at Gollum and also for it to seem somewhat accidental and there to be a bit of a struggle with the ring and there to be something behind that as well." So, was Frodo after the ring??? "Frodo's absolutely after the ring," Wood stated. "He's not trying to save it. That's my feeling - oh, God yeah. What it comes down to is he already made the decision to 'own the ring.' The ring is his at this point, he's made that decision, and he's down the 'turn.' Having it bitten off and taken away from him isn't going to change that. I think it's going to make him even more incensed when he sees that the great rival - the other ring-bearer and the one he can relate to has suddenly got it. I fully believe that Frodo intended to kill Gollum. The way that it plays out, it doesn't actually seem that way and it may not be the case, but I wouldn't put it past that character in that particular situation."
PJ's take:
We next asked about the ways Jackson decided to shoot the ending, a small change from the book. "Well, we shot a version which was the same as the book, which what happens in the book is that Gollum gets the ring from Frodo, he's overjoyed, he goes into this sort of dance on the edge of the cliff and he accidentally kind of trips and falls into the lava and Frodo's lying there watching it happen," Jackson noted. "We shot these versions on the same day, it wasn't like we shot the one and then came back to it afterwards and shot it again, we actually shot that version, so we had it in the can, which was Andy Serkis, really, it was just Andy dancing and then Andy fell back onto this mattress. But I just always felt that that would be not really the way we wanted to go because, I just felt you couldn't come through three movies and then have Gollum accidentally trip and fall with the ring, I just thought people would go 'Huh?' And, so I thought we owed Frodo the moment of actually participating, so the version that's in the movie is the one where we have Frodo charge at him and fight, the two of them are grappling and the two of them go over, which is sort of similar to the book." So, did Frodo want the ring himself??? "You'll have to ask Elijah," Jackson replied. "I said to Elijah, what we have to do is be ambiguous. You have to go at Gollum, you have to go for the ring, and there has to be a sense of people not knowing, are you trying to grab it back for yourself, I mean has any thought of destroying it now and all you want to do is grab it back or are you now grabbing it off him so that you can complete the mission and see it destroyed? Elijah turned to me and he said, 'I think I want to keep it.'"
Sorry for the long post but I found these quotes interesting and I thought you might too.
Tin
Post 243
Tanwen_Luthien
Date Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2003 2:05 pm
I.....STILL......HAVE.......NOT.......SEEN IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NO PRECOIUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post 244
Trasmerg38
Date Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2003 7:25 pm
My goodness Tan!! You must go see it!!! And see it soon you must!!!
Tin, hurray you finally saw it!!! Ready to see it again, precious???
I saw it twice...and I still want to see it again...let me see if I can spill without spoiling...
Pippin was SPECTACULAR!!! I mean, he was really awesome! A true hero, with a lovely singing voice! And Sean! He needs a Best Supporting Actor or something! Dom sure needed some more screen time, but what he had was terrific! And of course Elijah....WOW! What a performance! Did I say WOW?!!!
Of course, the humans and elves (don't forget the dwarf) were all splendid in their own right. Faramir was just perfect...totally turned around from the Faramir of TTT! Denathor was so MAD!!! And Aragorn was actually swoonable!
But my heart will always belong to the hobbits.....*sigh*.....did you see Pippin in his uniform???? swoooOOOOOOOOOoooooonTHUD
Post 245
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2003 7:30 pm
LOL Glad you liked it. I just saw it again this afternoon for the third time. It definitely gets better every time I see it (though watching the...Change..you know the one I mean...still makes me sick to my stomach.)
Post 246
Trasmerg38
Date Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2003 7:51 pm
And everybody came on to see it, and I remember we did five or six takes, I don't know how many we did, and they checked the gate, and Peter came over to me and broke down, like gave me a hug and broke down on my shoulder. It was so, so sad--everybody was crying."
*sob*
Must have been such an emotional time.....most of these people have worked on this project for at least four years, and many, more than that. And now it's over. I'll remember this when I watch it again.....I'm sure it'll bring that many more tears.....
Post 247
Marea
Date Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2003 6:46 pm
"I think I want to keep IT"
!!!!
So... PJ let our Frodo decide his motivations for himself hmmmm...? I find that... interesting.
It certainly the interpretation that I take from the movie. At the very end.. at the Cracks of Doom... we see Frodo standing there a LONG time... and eventually hear Sam shouting "What are you waiting for?".
Well... the "waiting" that is happening is Frodo struggling against the now completely overwhelming power of the Ring.... he is like a guy at the beach, waiting for the 100 foot tidal wave to come in and drown him...
Gee... I'm glad there are no hobbits close by at this Inn to overhear this....
I'm a little jazzed. I just saw it... the third time. And the third time has always been the charm for me. This time is no exception.
Watching really hurt. I wept like a child. A good way to close the Old Year.
And a Happy New Year to all hobbits (dwarves, men and Elves) both those in Middle Earth, and beyond.
Post 248
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2003 6:55 pm
I'm glad it worked Marea.
Happy New Year everyone!
Please, remind me never...*never* to see RotK two days in a row.
*Curls up in a fetal position*
Post 249
fishy071
Date Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2003 6:58 pm
I just got back, and need time to catch up.
Post 250
Trasmerg38
Date Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2003 7:07 pm
Is it just me, or has everyone else known this? I just found the passage where PJ got the words for Pippin's song:
(third stanza)
Home is behind, the world ahead,
And there are many paths to tread
Through shadows to the edge of night,
Until the stars are all alight.
Then world behind and home ahead,
We'll wander back to home and bed.
Mist and twilight, cloud and shade,
Away shall fade! Away shall fade!
Fire and lamp, and meat and bread,
And then to bed! And then to bed!
I decided it was time to start the books again, and when I came across this song, I almost burst into tears...
Poor Pip, poor Faramir......*sniff*
Post 251
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2003 7:16 pm
*Comes out of fetal position*
*Opens mouth as if to speak*
...
Waaaaaah!
*Curls up again*
Post 252
JewelSong
Date Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2003 7:30 pm
Well, I *thought* about going to see the movie again tonight...seeing as how I'd probably share the theater with all the other geeks who don't have fancy parties to go to or hot dates for New Year's Eve.
But instead, I decided to stay home and watch the Twilight Zone Marathon. Much less geeky, don't you all think?
The original words to "Auld Lang Syne" by Robert Burns seem somehow appropriate for our little group and for our beloved hobbits. (Especially the line about "...seas between us braid hae roared..." ) So, join in, all...
Should auld acquaintance be forgot,
And never brought to mind?
Should auld acquaintance be forgot,
And days of auld lang syne?
And days of auld lang syne, my dear,
And days of auld lang syne.
Should auld acquaintance be forgot,
And days of auld lang syne?
We twa hae run aboot the braes
And pu'd the gowans fine.
We've wandered mony a weary foot,
Sin' auld lang syne.
Sin' auld lang syne, my dear,
Sin' auld lang syne,
We've wandered mony a weary foot,
Sin' auld ang syne.
We twa hae sported i' the burn,
From morning sun till dine,
But seas between us braid hae roared
Sin' auld lang syne.
Sin' auld lang syne, my dear,
Sin' auld lang syne.
But seas between us braid hae roared
Sin' auld lang syne.
And ther's a hand, my trusty friend,
And gie's a hand o' thine;
We'll tak' a cup o' kindness yet,
For auld lang syne.
For auld lang syne, my dear,
For auld lang syne,
We'll tak' a cup o' kindness yet,
For auld lang syne.
(You can read a "translation" of this song here.)
Happy New Year, everyone! Raise your glass! May 2004 bring you light and life and much happiness with true friends old and new. God bless you all!
Post 253
Trasmerg38
Date Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2003 9:29 pm
Happy New Year!!
Jewel, I had never heard the whole song before, nor the translation. Thanks for posting!!
And ther's a hand, my trusty friend,
And gie's a hand o' thine;
We'll tak' a cup o' kindness yet,
For auld lang syne.
For auld lang syne, my dear,
For auld lang syne,
We'll tak' a cup o' kindness yet,
For auld lang syne.
Post 254
Tanwen_Luthien
Date Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2003 11:48 pm
That's a lovely song!
MERRY NEW YEAR!!!!!!!
May this year be filled with dining delights to please every man, elf and, of course, HOBBIT!
Post 255
Tinewen
Hobbit Friend
Date Posted: Thu Jan 1, 2004 1:02 am
Tin raises her glass and joins the merry group singing in the Dragon.
For auld lang syne, my dear,
For auld lang syne,
We'll tak' a cup o' kindness yet,
For auld lang syne.
Thanks Jewel for the song and translation. It's always interesting to find out what songs really mean.
Last night on TV one of the New Year programmes was a concert. It was a tribute to the music of Andrew Lloyd Webber and Tim Rice. Of the many great songs that were performed one really struck a chord with me and as with the words to Auld Lang Syne, the chorus of this particular song reminded me of the friendship all of us share even though many of us are seperated by great distances. The song is "Amigos para siempre" (Friends for Life):
Amigos para siempre
Means you'll always be my friend
Amics per sempre
Means a love that cannot end
Friends for life
Not just a summer or a spring
Amigos para siempre
I feel you near me
Even when we are apart
Just knowing you are in this world
Can warm my heart
Friends for life
Not just a summer or a spring
Amigos para siempre
Happy New Year everyone.
Tanwen - have you seen it yet? If not I hope you don't have to wait too much longer. It must be torture for you! (You'd better not look at the following links as there are spoilers galore there.)
Editing post to bring you links to some goodies.
First is an amazing comparison of Frodo at the Grey Havens and at the CoD:
[L]http://server5.uploadit.org/files2/311203-codhaven.jpg[/L]
They have to give Elijah an Oscar, don't they? Don't they?
BTW - Have you seen the poll over at theonering.net? The one where they are asking people to vote for the actor in ROTK who they think will win an OScar. Well, Sean Astin is way, way out in front on about 47% and Elijah is only on 14%!!!
Now I know that Sean did a fantastic job but how could so many ignore Elijah? He was BRILLIANT! I would have thought the results would have been a lot closer.
Secondly, here's a link to an German Interview with Elijah.
[L]http://www.rtl.de/videolounge/player.php?cat=14&video_id=3679&lstart=25&stream=rv_h&PHPSESSID=4f1d0e8af900642345b6afb95458e5b0[/L]
I love listening to him talk and he really is so modest and unaffected!
Thirdly, a link to the Khazaddum.com site, in particular the Faculty: An Elijah Wood Discussion. A few people there are posting screencaps and pics from a behind the scenes show that apparently aired in the UK a little while ago. You need to go back to previous pages to get all the screencaps. Some of the discussions there have been very interesting.
[L]http://www.khazaddum.com/forums/showthread.php?s=a95dc2a73b46c5185434a54266f680fc&threadid=1310&perpage=25&pagenumber=210[/L]
Enjoy!!
Tin
Edited again because I can't get the links to work. Can somebody help? Pretty please?
Post 256
JewelSong
Date Posted: Thu Jan 1, 2004 7:05 am
Tin, that is a wonderful interview with Elijah. He really is so unaffected and genuine. And that picture comparison...wow!
To make "live" links you have to use "URL" not "L" in the brackets.
Post 257
fishy071
Date Posted: Thu Jan 1, 2004 1:29 pm
I'm glad you got your computer back, Tinewen! Thanks for the information!
I know what you mean, Froda_baggins. It upsets my stomach too.
I know what you mean, Traz. I looked for the words in the book, but Pippin doesn't sing in the book. Thanks for the words!
Thanks for the words, JewelSong!
I won't be able to get another ROTK viewing until I get back to my place in the middle of the month.
I have been sick as well. Most of the family got sick during the trip. I slept through Timesauqre last night because I didn't feel well. Fortunately, my dad taped it.
Post 258
Trasmerg38
Date Posted: Thu Jan 1, 2004 5:19 pm
my attempt of Tin's links:
Frodo comparison
interview
screencaps
Fishy, unless I misunderstood you, I think you misunderstood me, if you understand me...... Pippin does sing this song, with Sam and Frodo when they are on their way to Crickhollow just before they meet the elves. The tone is quite different than how Pip sings it for Denethor in the movie, but it's the same song nonetheless!
And I'm very sorry you were sick! Hope you're feeling better soon!
edit to turn off the italics...
Post 259
Tanwen_Luthien
Date Posted: Thu Jan 1, 2004 9:14 pm
Nope... STILL HAVEN'T SEEN IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Takes deep breath
Okay, I'm better now.
Post 260
Marea
Date Posted: Thu Jan 1, 2004 10:18 pm
Folks (especially Traz)
Interesting tidibit... especially with all these "Auld Lang Syne" lyrics cited here....
Billy Boyd apparently appeared on a BBC hosted New Year's broadcast yesterday, wearing kilt (as we know he likes to do)... and LED people in the SINGING of Auld Lang Syne! Isn't that just PERFECT!
Talented men, our hobbits, wouldn't you say?
A blessed and Happy New Year for all my Tolkien family. I haven't met all of you yet... who knows... perhaps this year is the year...
Post 261
Trasmerg38
Date Posted: Fri Jan 2, 2004 5:45 pm
Ohhh OHHHH!!! Marea!!!!! Can it be found on the web?????
Can I faint here?
I can almost hear him singing:
We twa hae run aboot the braes
And pu'd the gowans fine.
We've wandered mony a weary foot,
Sin' auld lang syne....
And in a kilt, no less!
*swooooooooooon............THUD*
*...opens one eye...* And I can DEFINITELY hear him singing:
Home is behind, the world ahead
And there are many paths to tread
Through shadow, 'till the edge of night
Until the stars are all alight
Mist and Shadow, Cloud and shade
All shall fade, all shall.......fade
*closes eye.........sigh*
Post 262
Damalur-sol
Date Posted: Fri Jan 2, 2004 6:08 pm
Thanks a lot Traz, I'd just been able to get that scene out of my mind and now it's all back again.
I saw it on New Years Eve (third time) and my brother told me it was midnight just after Gollum had fallen. Talk about the best way to start the year! It's gotten better every time I've watched it so far, but it's absolutely heartbreaking.
Happy New Year to all!
Post 263
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Fri Jan 2, 2004
I think I'm going to have to join Traz in a SWOON! Wow that must've been great to hear (and see )
Here are my New Year's resolutions:
1. Be as strong-willed as Aragorn
2. Be as brave as Merry and Pippin
3. Be as loyal and loving as Sam
4. Be as selfless as Frodo
5. And above all, always ask myself: "What would Gandalf do?"
Post 264
fishy071
Date Posted: Sat Jan 3, 2004 2:31 am
Sorry Traz! Thanks for the information!
Those are good resolutions, Froda_baggins. years ago, I resolved never to make any more resolutions because I find them hard to keep.
I am still sick, and was in bed of of today. I even have a cough drop in my mouth right now. The fmaily computer has been acting strange for months. I can't wait till I'm back at my apartment where I have my own functional computer and privacy.
Post 265
WendyLadyofLothlorien
Date Posted: Sat Jan 3, 2004 5:50 am
Hi,
Just popped in to give you a link to some of the loveliest screencaps I've seen in a long time...from The Grey Havens scene at the end of ROTK...Enjoy !!!
Frodo says Goodbye
( Sob !! )
Post 266
fishy071
Date Posted: Sat Jan 3, 2004 2:15 pm
Thanks Wendy! Those are good, but sad.
Post 267
Tanwen_Luthien
Date Posted: Sat Jan 3, 2004 9:08 pm
I just heard Billy singing on the soundtrack!
I was confused at first until I realised that he must be singing as Pippin, not Billy.
I feel terrible in saying that I thought I had gone to the wrong track, because he sounded so, erm, "feminine"...
Because I STILL HAVEN'T SEEN THE MOVIE!!!!!!!!!
Post 268
JewelSong
Date Posted: Sat Jan 3, 2004 9:19 pm
Tan, WHY haven't you seen the movie yet? Is it not out where you live?
Pippin singing in the movie is an extremely haunting and well-done scene. He is the perfect Pippin...
Post 269
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Sat Jan 3, 2004 10:28 pm
Tan you poor thing.
Billy's singing voice is a new fetish of mine lol.
Post 270
Tanwen_Luthien
Date Posted: Sat Jan 3, 2004 10:44 pm
I haven't seen it yet because we pre-booked tickets for the 9th of January.
Why, do you ask?
Well, they are the Harbour Town cinemas.
Anyone who has been there will know what I mean.
Regency Gold (Woohoo!!)
But with my luck, the cinema will be filled with guffawing adolescent males (Who will suffer if they ruin this) and infants who constantly need to be changed (they will be silent precioussss.... or SO HELP US!!!!!! )
I saw the last 2 movies there first, and POTC.
Post 271
fishy071
Date Posted: Sun Jan 4, 2004 3:28 am
Good luck at the movies Tanwen!
I didn't really like Boyd's singing the first time I heard it, but I guess it was because I was sampling the CD with headphones in a store, which meant poor quality. I still didn't like it that much when I listened to it on my computer, but it could just be poor quality again. I liked it better after seeing Pippin singing it in ROTK.
Post 272
WendyLadyofLothlorien
Date Posted: Sun Jan 4, 2004 11:38 am
OH MY GOD...How could we have forgotten ??? ...
For yesterday...
Happy Birthday J.R.R. - you've given us all SO much to read, digest, and chat about, and your work has led to the greatest film adaptation of all time, and also to us all making new online friends who we would never otherwise have met...thank-you for all this, and more...we can never repay you because you aren't around any more, but I do wonder what you would think of all of us in here, nattering away about your Magnum Opus...
So a very Big Thank-you for all these good things...
Let's have a drink and raise our glasses to Tolkien on this, his Birthday...
( A day late, I know, but better late than never )
Post 273
JewelSong
Date Posted: Sun Jan 4, 2004 11:48 am
To the Professor!
Jewel raises her glass, albeit a mug full of mocha, to the man who changed her life in immeasurable ways.
Pippin raises his ale companionably, if a bit quizzically.
"To who???"he whispers to Merry. Merry pokes Pippin in the side.
"Shhh! Some writer that they all really like, I think, Pip," he says. "Just join in the toast, will you?"
"No problem there," Pippin grins. "To the Professor!"
And to all of you here in the Green Dragon. May our friendship remain true!
Post 274
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Sun Jan 4, 2004 12:39 pm
Froda raises her glass (of cider).
To the Professor! And what a wonderful gift he has given us! We certainly wouldn't be here, chatting away as we do, if it wasn't for him.
Happy 112th birthday!
And to long-lasting friendships!
Post 275
fishy071
Date Posted: Sun Jan 4, 2004 1:11 pm
Fishy071 raises her glass.
A toast! Happy Belated 112th Birthday, Professor Tolkien!
Post 276
Marea
Date Posted: Sun Jan 4, 2004 6:01 pm
I raise my glass, turn to the West, and bid Professor Tolkien a happy birthday.
You have changed my life in SO many good ways. I'm afraid you would be horrified by how your work is now picked apart like so much old laundy on some of the messageboards and by all the technology that has been tangled up with it (internet downloads and websites and pirated copies and...
But I believe you would be happy that LOTR brought people together... to talk, to raise a pint in friendship, perhaps to explore the roots of culture and myth and religion a bit more closely. And I am convinced that you would have LOVED how the Shire was depicted in PJ's movie... and Gandalf... and perhaps more besides...
Thank you professor... for everything
Tolkien lives!
Post 277
Trasmerg38
Date Posted: Sun Jan 4, 2004 6:19 pm
Traz also raises her pint to the Professor.
Hear hear!!
Frodo,
Billy's singing voice is a new fetish of mine lol.
It's Billy's voice over all that does me in...
*silent swoony sigh*
Post 278
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Sun Jan 4, 2004 6:41 pm
Yes his voice is lovely. That Scottish accent makes me weak in the knees, but when he sings, it really does me in!
Marea: Tolkien lives, he does indeed. He lives forever in the hearts of those whose lives have been changed because of him.
Post 279
Echo_Starlite
Date Posted: Sun Jan 4,
I got so caught up reading everyone else's posts that I forgot what I was going to saaaaay...
Now I want to take a nap for some craaazy reason. Could have something to do with the hour, but I doubt it! ^__^
Nearly a week into this year, and already I have writer's block. May the Valar say me!
Post 280
fishy071
Date Posted: Sun Jan 4, 2004 8:13 pm
Welcome Echo_Starlite!
Actually there were threads about Tolkien's birthday yesterday.
Post 281
Orangeblossom_Bumbleroot
Date Posted: Sun Jan 4, 2004 10:04 pm
Yess!!! To the Professor!!! Thank-you so much for what you have given us!
I love Billy Boyd's voice. My ancestors are Scottish so I melt whenever I hear that accent. In spite of my love of anything Scottish, I would still be in awe of his rendering of that song, because of the heart and soul he poured into it.
I got back yesterday from a trip to California, so it will take me a little while to catch up on what's gone here while I was gone.
Post 282
Tanwen_Luthien
Date Posted: Sun Jan 4, 2004
Happy Birthday John Ronald Ruel Tolkien!!!!!!!
(I hope I got the 2nd 'R' name right.)
Post 283
fishy071
Date Posted: Mon Jan 5,
You were close, Tanwen_Luthien. THe 2nd R name is Reuel, but don't worry. It's not a very common name, and is easy to misspell.
You were in CA Orangeblossom_Bumbleroot? My family and I were in FL for a week, and we live in CA.
Post 284
Sunshine_10
Date Posted: Mon Jan 5, 2004 7:21 am
Sunny looks around, "I have missed so much" she thinks to herself. Great now I feel guilty..she sits down with a pint...and then another! "Pints are on me!"
Tanwen don't worry you will see it and you will love it! Good things come fast but great things take time..thats what I always say!
*Sunny*
Post 285
fishy071
Date Posted: Tue Jan 6, 2004 1:50 am
That is right in a way, Sunny. Some things are worth the wait. I didn't even see FOTR until 2/3/02, and that was even before reading Tolkien.
Post 286
Braganil
Date Posted: Tue Jan 6, 2004 6:42 am
Steps into pub and looks around* i have neve rbeen here before. Hello Peeps!
Post 287
Sunshine_10
Date Posted: Tue Jan 6, 2004 6:54 am
Hello Braganil, welcome to The Green Dragon...would you care for a pint?
*Sunny*
Post 288
Braganil
Date Posted: Tue Jan 6, 2004 6:59 am
*shakes out his cloak form the rain and sleet, and nods vigorously towards Sunny* Yes, please. A pint would be most welcome. Do you also have something for my hedgehog Tegi? Maybe some rotten fish or mealy worms?
Post 289
fishy071
Date Posted: Tue Jan 6, 2004 7:00 am
Welcome Braganil! Good to see you here. You sure bring Tegi everywhere.
Post 290
Sunshine_10
Date Posted: Tue Jan 6, 2004 7:02 am
*Sunny looks ar Fishy, "do we have wroms for Tegi?" "yep there in the back" she replies...goes gets them and throws them to the hedge hog *
Fishy your back! Pints for all! And let the music being!
*Sunny*- I love the Green Dragon
Post 291
Braganil
Date Posted: Tue Jan 6, 2004 7:17 am
*Picks up the mealy worms and hand-feeds them to Tegi* Much obliged! Say, have you seen that glowing horse outside? It looks very weird in all its glowing glory... And it has soemthing on his side that reads "Go West"
Post 292
Sunshine_10
Date Posted: Tue Jan 6, 2004 12:05 pm
Ah yes that is Beragon he's a great horse, the Go East takes some time to explain, if he doesn't belong to anyone, may I adopt him? "Pint Please for me and my new friend Braganil "
*Sunny*
Post 293
Braganil
Date Posted: Tue Jan 6, 2004 12:13 pm
*Gets up to get a pint for Sunny and himself and then sits down again, slowly slurping his ale and giving lil drops of it to Tegi from dipping his finger into his mug*
So you say there is a "Go East" version as well?
Post 294
Sunshine_10
Date Posted: Tue Jan 6, 2004 12:24 pm
Yep there are two, if you have one way why not the other eh? I kinda did mean the Go West, but as I am sometimes not paying attention I write the wrong thing, anyway the go west, shows where the second best pub is, and there is more, of course, I could go on and on but then I would be afraid that I would bore you...so here I go..the west is also a nice place to relax *takes sip of pint* and it lets all know where to go so if you are lost it tells you the right direction to go See I was babbling
*Sunny*
-Anyone want to dance to the band?-
Post 295
JewelSong
Date Posted: Tue Jan 6, 2004 2:07 pm
Oh, no. The Green Dragon is descending into the mindless chasm of Talk. *And we mustn't let it!* No, the Dragon must be kept to its original purpose...minor swooning about the hobbits and random visits from the lads themselves.
I am wondering if you all have been keeping up with the flurry of interviews and press about our hobbit-boys, particularly about one Sean Astin, who is getting some serious word-of-mouth publicity about a gentleman named Oscar. It surely would warm my heart to see Sean get an Oscar nom - even though I think his chances of actually GETTING the blasted statue are almost nil. (But - there is always hope!)
However, my feelings about Best Picture and Best Director are a bit more positive and I feel sure that ROTK will walk away with ONE if not BOTH of those coveted awards. About damn time and well-deserved, I say!
Jewel raises her mug of ale and shouts, "Let's hear it for Peter Jackson and his movies!" Pippin also raises his mug - he's always up for a toast.
"What are we toasting now, Merry?" he whispers. "That old Professor again?"
"No, you silly Took," Merry responds. "This time it's some kind of - I don't know - like a play, only different. Bigger, or something."
"A play? About us? Pippin beams. "I'll drink to that!"
Post 296
Lidau
Date Posted: Tue Jan 6, 2004 2:44 pm
A new guest appears at the door.
No press and interviews on this side of the Atlantic; I´m afraid people here don´t even know his name - except for the fans.
But I´ll raise my cup as well: Good luck to all hobbits, director, who else may be nominated.And I agree with you: it´s time for more than that!
Post 297
Sunshine_10
Date Posted: Tue Jan 6, 2004 4:19 pm
I apologize, I like to talk *raises pint to what was just said* ah yes the inspiration of a wonderful movie maker...*cheers* alright I am really confused and maybe someone can help me, alright I have been told that Peter Jackson was making the Hobbit...*sunny sits down* is this true? I have been told but when I look I can't find what I am looking for...will someone please...it would be so great to see you Hobbits in a movie all your own wouldn't it?
*Sunny*
BTW welcome new commer. I am Sunny
Post 298
JewelSong
Date Posted: Tue
The rights to "The Hobbit" are tied up in some legal wrangling. Peter Jackson has said that he would LOVE to do it, and Ian McKellan has said that if he is not asked to be Gandalf, he'll be very disappointed. (Wouldn't that be SO COOL to have McKellan as Gandalf again?)
I think "The Hobbit" will be made; it's inevitable. But when...that's another question!
Post 299
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Tue Jan 6, 2004 6:27 pm
I, too think the Hobbit will get made. And of course, I hope it gets made by Peter and Co.
I've been following the Oscar Buzz thread here on TORC, and I am really hoping Sean Astin gets the nomination he deserves.
*Crosses fingers*
I propose a toast!
Pip perks up his ears.
To a wonderful actor in the hopes that he gets what he deserves! Bestowed with a little gold man!
Post 300
Trasmerg38
Date Posted: Tue Jan 6, 2004 8:17 pm
Oh yes! Sean Astin did such a fantastic job, he really deserves that nomination! Yes, a toast! To Sean Astin, may he be nominated and win that coveted golden man!!
*Traz downs her pint and orders another*
All the actors really did an awesome job though...don't they now have an award for "best ensemble" or something like that?
Jewel, I've always thought that was a brilliant idea, for PJ to do the Hobbit...with Ian McK as Gandalf of course! And Andy Serkis as Gollum!
Would Ian Holmes play Bilbo again though? He'd be perfect, I think. And wouldn't Weta do a smashing job on Smaug?!!
Another toast!! To Peter, may he do a smashing job on King Kong and then begin production on the Hobbit!!!
*Traz drains second pint and orders another...........hic*
Where ish that marverlush little Pippin?? I wanna dansh!! *hic*
Post 301
JewelSong
Date Posted: Wed Jan 7, 2004 12:21 am
Ian Holm could not play Bilbo, IMHO - he is just too old for the part. But I'd love for him to do kind of a voice-over prologue - you know, telling the story.
In my fantasties, the movie begins when Bilbo adopts Frodo. He sets out to make the boy comfortable by telling him the story of his great adventures. And then we segue into the movie.
Then, at the end, we switch back to Bilbo and Frodo and a line about Frodo maybe having some sort of adventure some day.
Nice little cameos for Ian Holm and Elijah Wood.
Post 302
Sunshine_10
Date Posted: Wed Jan 7, 2004 6:18 am
JewelSong you have a good point about having the voice over type thing, it would make the story interesting becasue it would be told from his perspective. I can't wait then for it to be out, maybe they would change the actors look alittle then they could still play in the Hobbit but thats impossible, or they would just get a whole new cast, which would be sad but having Ian M. as Gandalf that would be great I hope he accepts!
*Raises glass to Sean Astin* Cheers!
*Sunny*
Post 303
WendyLadyofLothlorien
Date Posted: Wed Jan 7, 2004 10:36 am
"Oh, no. The Green Dragon is descending into the mindless chasm of Talk. *And we mustn't let it!* No, the Dragon must be kept to its original purpose...minor swooning about the hobbits and random visits from the lads themselves."
Now then, Fishy and Sunny, you are most welcome to come and natter with us in our Pub, about all things Tolkien, movies, actors, yes, and even swoon ( slightly )for the more delicious members of said cast ( mention no names )...
However, you must understand that this Pub was opened for us specifically to have a place to come and indulge in more light-hearted banter, amongst all of us, about all the above subjects, because, ( and you may not have realised this ) the chat amongst the original members of the very deep-discussion thread in the Books Forum was veering too far towards the subject of the movies...so they created the Pub for the express purpose of having a place to indulge in such whims...
So there are a few people in here, ( I'm one ) who don't really take very kindly to a couple of people hi-jacking the thread with inane mindless chatter...( you know of what I speak - we don't really want this thread moved or locked )
Don't get me wrong...please understand that anyone is very welcome to come and join us for a drink, as long as they do just that...join us !
Fishy,
I'm sorry if I sound harsh, but you've complained a lot earlier in this thread about how you were treated in the RP threads, so I took the time and trouble to track those threads down and see what you were talking about, mainly because it sounded horrendous, and do you know what ? I could find nothing there that did not sound like people giving you firm but friendly advice...
So bearing in mind how sensitive to criticism you appear to be, please don't misunderstand my intentions here...I only want to preserve our lovely Pub in the spirit in which it was set up, and both you and Sunny have to realise that this place is very dear to all of our hearts...may I respectfully suggest that you exchange E-mails, than you can chatter all you like without upsetting anyone else...
Having said that, please remember that you are both very welcome here any time, and we do enjoy input from anyone as long as it's On Topic...
Post 304
fishy071
Date Posted: Wed Jan 7, 2004 6:59 pm
Welcome Lidau! Please join us!
JewelSong, I haven’t kept up with the interviews, but I hope Astin, Jackson, and LOTR get Oscars. I would like McKellan as Gandalf for The Hobbit too.
I would like to see The Hobbit as a movie. I think they should have started with that, then proceed to LOTR. It would clear up some confusion. I would like McKellan as Gandalf and Serkis as Gollum.
JewelSong, that’s a good idea, or we could have Bilbo writing in the Red Book and recalling his adventure.
Wendy, most of the things we were talking about had been edited, and some weren’t in the RP threads. Actualy, most of them came up in the Talk forum and weren't really about RP. Sorry, I thought this was a thread where we could talk about anything. However, the last page of posts have pretty much been back on track: Tolkien's birthday and movies.
Fishy071 raises a cup: A toast to Astin, Jackson, and company!
Post 305
Trasmerg38
Date Posted: Wed Jan 7, 2004 7:26 pm
In my fantasties, the movie begins when Bilbo adopts Frodo. He sets out to make the boy comfortable by telling him the story of his great adventures. And then we segue into the movie.
Can I take it a step further, Jewel? Bilbo is sitting in the study, telling his story to Frodo, and with him is Sam who loves to hear the tales, as well as Merry and Pippin, the favorite cousins!! Frodo is sitting on a stool next to Bilbo, and the others in a semi circle on the floor........break away to flashback, and all the dwarves coming to tea.....
Post 306
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Wed Jan 7, 2004
Ooo some lovely imaginings! PJ, if you're seeing this, take note! The fans have spoken!
Post 307
fishy071
Date Posted: Wed Jan 7, 2004 8:53 pm
Everyone has good ideas for The Hobbit. They could also keep it the way it is in the book. They might even refer to the Rankin/Bass version.
Post 308
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Wed Jan 7, 2004 9:04 pm
Rankin/Bass? As much love as I have for that movie, even I have to admit that it isn't the greatest. Although some of it is pretty decent, and admittedly the images stay in the mind. Rankin/Bass Gollum is, imo, *fantastic*, almost as good as dear Andy's.
Anyway...I...well...*blushes*...I kind of...have a little self-promotion to do. See, I wrote a fic in response to a challenge today. It's just a little ficlet, really; not beta'd, not revised, it's just an improv. But I like it, and I'd kind of like to get some feedback from you ladies. It's mild, implied Frodo/Sam slash, movie canon, and it takes place in Mordor, Sam's POV. It's called "Keeping Watch", and you can read it at: http://www.livejournal.com/users/froda_baggins/59163.html
*Walks out of the Dragon, blushing furiously*
Post 309
fishy071
Date Posted: Wed Jan 7, 2004
I like it, Froda_Baggins. You showed Sam's loyalty very well. You should submit it for the Reading Room.
Post 310
JewelSong
Date Posted: Thu Jan 8, 2004 2:45 am
They might even refer to the Rankin/Bass version.
Noooooo! Not that!
Seriously, whatever happens with "The Hobbit" it should stand on its own/ A cameo of Ian H would be great and of course it would be wonderful to have McKellan as Gandalf, since a wizard would look the same. But there should not be more than a nod to LOTR - I think it would be a mistake to try to tie it in too closely to the trilogy. Still, I'd dearly love more hobbits.
Froda, I like your story and think it is a wonderful first effort! And to think you were considered NOT doing it! Isnt it great how LOTR has awakened so many dormant muses?
Post 311
Sunshine_10
Date Posted: Thu Jan 8, 2004 6:19 am
Jewel Song you have a point, you wouldn't want to tie it in to closely but you would want to have it explain things, for example Sting. ?
froda_baggins thats really good, I liked your work. It really shows how much Sam is devoted to what he is doing. Good Job.
*Sunny*
Post 312
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Thu Jan 8, 2004 8:35 am
Let's hope they saved some of the props...gonna have to make Elijah give back that map and Ring.
You realize I'm blushing like Sam Gamgee after being told he's the finest gardener in the Shire?
Post 313
Rosie_the_hobbit
Date Posted: Thu Jan 8, 2004 9:34 am
I would love to see a movie of The Hobbit. I like the idea of having Bilbo telling Frodo the story. I would love to see a mention of that fact that never made it into LOTR, except in the EE. Of course that does give away the fact that Bilbo survives, but then most people who see The Hobbit will have already seen LOTR and know that fact. I hope they still have the props like the mithril shirt. It would be a shame to have an unrecognizable version in The Hobbit.
The Rankin/Bass version? -shudders- I personally hope the new Hobbit movie is nothing like the cartoon. Rosie wanders out of the Dragon trying to forget the cartoon wood elves that looked like tall grey raisins.
Post 314
JewelSong
Date Posted: Thu Jan 8, 2004 9:52 am
Don't forget the Bakshi version of LOTR that made poor Sam act like am imbecile and look like he had a potato on his nose.
Post 315
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Thu Jan 8, 2004 10:28 am
Bakshi? Do not speak that name in my presence!
Post 316
WendyLadyofLothlorien
Date Posted: Thu Jan 8, 2004 11:12 am
Jewel,
"Ian Holm could not play Bilbo, IMHO - he is just too old for the part. But I'd love for him to do kind of a voice-over prologue - you know, telling the story.
In my fantasties, the movie begins when Bilbo adopts Frodo. He sets out to make the boy comfortable by telling him the story of his great adventures. And then we segue into the movie.
Then, at the end, we switch back to Bilbo and Frodo and a line about Frodo maybe having some sort of adventure some day.
Nice little cameos for Ian Holm and Elijah Wood."
Hey, this is a perfect way to do it...
1)We'd get the backstory that wasn't that evident in LOTR, of Bilbo's adoption of Frodo ( I know it was mentioned, but non-book audiences may have missed it ) combined with...
2)The same actors playing Bilbo, Frodo, Gollum, and Gandalf, thus providing a believable link to the LOTR movies...
3)You could then get a younger actor to play Bilbo for the rest of the story, to get around the problem of Ian Holm just looking too old these days...
How gloriously perfect...I'd go and see it !!! And I agree that it must stand alone, but still be connected to the LOTR movies, and the way to do that is to have the same director, using the same principle actors, and the same effects team and designers so that the movie has the same polished look about it without it being just seen as a prequel, although I think that, inevitably, it WILL be referred to as that...that's just unavoidable, I fear !!!
Trasmerg,
"Can I take it a step further, Jewel? Bilbo is sitting in the study, telling his story to Frodo, and with him is Sam who loves to hear the tales, as well as Merry and Pippin, the favorite cousins!! Frodo is sitting on a stool next to Bilbo, and the others in a semi circle on the floor........break away to flashback, and all the dwarves coming to tea....."
Yes, I kinda like that idea too...continuity for all the main Hobbit characters ...without it being necessary to have seen LOTR first...that's the prime importance, although is there anyone on the planet who hasn't seen LOTR yet ??
Froda,
I think that your short story is wonderful indeed...you've managed to write this just how J.R.R. would write it himself...very book-canon. However, there is just one point I would make, and I stress this is just my own opinion,....for my money, you really don't need the implied slash element.
"when you would curl up against me with a contented smile after…I blush to think on it."
Just that line would all you'd need to cut out, to remove it completely...the rest sounds just like Sam talking and this story doesn't need the slashy implication IMHO..
( Don't get me wrong, I love a bit of Slash as much as the next person, but in this case, I just think the story is good enough without it !!! Anyway, well done for rising to the challenge...I like the idea of these Fan-fiction plot challenges, they're good for stretching your talents...
Braganil,
You and your pet hedgehog are most welcome at the Inn...does he like crisps? We eat rather a lot of those here !!! Have a pint of good old Somerset cider on me...
Lidau,
You, too, are most welcome to join us, here's a pint for you too...I hope you like cider...it's the real thing, very alcoholic and most delicious indeed !!!
Post 317
Lidau
Date Posted: Thu Jan 8, 2004 12:00 pm
Thank you, Wendy.
That´s a nice story, Froda! I liked it.
I liked all of your ideas for a possible beginning of The Hobbit. Let´s hope we´ll see it done.
Post 318
fishy071
Date Posted: Thu Jan 8, 2004 2:59 pm
I like everyone's ideas for The Hobbit. I was saying that they might refer to the cartoon version, but they definitely won't make it like that.
Post 319
Sunshine_10
Date Posted: Thu Jan 8, 2004 2:59 pm
the Cartoon of the Hobbit concerned me, I watched it before the movies were made and watching it kind of made me wonder if Peter Jackson was going to get his idea's from there. As in the Return of the King, and I agree with the Elves looking strange...but they did what they did by reading the book and by what they thought they drew what they thought they looked like and how they did all the stuff they did. I guess we should kind of give them credit, but now I know that PJ will do a much better job than that of the cartoons, we all know that. Alright I think I was repeating myself, but sorry about that...*raises Pint* to the Hobbit!
*Sunny*
Post 320
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Thu Jan 8, 2004 7:44 pm
for my money, you really don't need the implied slash element.
Yeah I know lol, the only reason I put that in there is because the challenge is slash-specific. It *has* to be there, but if I revise that line will probably be the first to go!
Post 321
fishy071
Date Posted: Thu Jan 8, 2004 10:40 pm
I saw the cartoon version with my 5th grade class, and I liked it. That was when I was first exposed to Tolkien. However, I didn't read the books until I saw FOTR on 2-3-02.
Congratulations on 2000 posts, JewelSong! I have announced it in this thread.
Post 322
Tanwen_Luthien
Date Posted: Thu Jan 8, 2004 11:52 pm
I just saw Return of the King.
Oh my god, I'm still crying.
I just spontaneously burst into tears.
But I still must say that I am VERY disappointed with this movie.
It was far too rushed.
NO SARUMAN!!!!
NO SCOURING OF THE SHIRE!!!
WE BARELY SEE SAM AND FRODO'S MORDOR JOURNEY!!!!
WHAT ABOUT EOWYN AND FARAMIR??????
DITTO THE WHITE TREE SAPLING?????
DITTO BEREGOND?????????
DITTO A LOT OF DIALOUGE!!!!!!
DITTO HOUSES OF HEALING???????????????
I hope the Extended Edition has a lot of this.
They needed more dialouge at the end, ship-going-to-Havens thing.
I think PJ should have split ROTK into Two movies somehow. It's just far too big. They didn't get the full impact of a lot of things across.
VERY sad/disappointed.
Post 323
fishy071
Date Posted: Fri Jan 9, 2004 1:12 am
Tanwen, I agree with you on most of the things, especially after my first viewing. I think I have to see it more to accept hte changes, and I heard some of those things will be in the SE DVD. I felt the movie rushed myself, and was disappointed in quite a few things.
Post 324
Tanwen_Luthien
Date Posted: Fri Jan 9, 2004 1:22 am
Thank you, friend
The saddest part is, this is it.
This is the movie, and there sadly is no other.
No turning back, no nothing.
Post 325
JewelSong
Date Posted: Fri Jan 9, 2004 3:05 am
Tanewen, obviously the movie moved you or you wouldn't still be crying! So I don't understand your dislike of the film.
I am a bit surprised at your disappointment. This is a MOVIE, not a book. It must be approached differently. I thought there was an incredible attention to detail and character in this movie and that Jackson put way more in than I ever expected or could have imagined. Most of the changes/cuts were well-known before the movie was released.
The Scouring of the Shire was NEVER going to be in and Peter Jackson announced this early on. From the reaction of the general audience to the 20-minute "multiple endings" (after the coronation) adding the Scouring would have been a terrible move for a filmaker. There was no way to do it justice in a film - it's anti-climatic and would have made the movie seem dragged out. Good move on Jackson's part.
Since the Scouring was going to be out, there was no good place to put Saruman's demise without ruining the pace of the movie. I was disappointed when I heard this, but after seeing the movie, I agree with Jackson's decision. The pacing was perfect as it was.
The White Tree was in the movie and in bloom in the Courtyard when Arwen appeared. To add another scene just about the tree would have been confusing and unecessary. It could easily have been cut out - I think it was great to have it mentioned at ALL. And Beregond is a fairly minor character - an obvious cut.
Scenes of Eowyn and Faramir meeting, the Houses and Healing and etc - was shot but regrettably cut due to time - they will be in the extended DVD. And we do see them giving each other a meaningful glance at the coronation - most non-book people I know understood that they get together.
I thought there was plenty of Sam and Frodo. Again, from a film-making standpoint, how many shots of Frodo crawling up the mountain can the general audience handle? It was obvious that their journey was long and torturous. Sure, I can always have more Sam and Frodo - in fact, I'd love it if the whole movie was ALL Sam and Frodo - but there's lots of other stuff to tell!
This is an adaptation, an interpretation of a very long and very complex book. It is unrealistic to expect line-for-line dialog and minor plot-points and characters to be in. What works on the page will not work on the screen. Thank goodness Jackson knows his stuff, or we would have been treated to a 5-hour long, very dull movie and you wouldn't have seen it because it wouldn't even still be in the theaters now!
As far as making ROTK into two movies...well. It's a trilogy. Orginally Jackson was told by Miramax that he had to make ONE two-hour movie of the WHOLE story. Can you imagine that? Then he had devised a two-movie adaptation to pitch to New Line. They finally allowed him to make three movies, as there are three books.
You will find a lot more of this kind of talk in the Movies Forum, if you dare to step over there. There are entire threads devoted to how bad the movie is and complaining about how Jackson cut this or that word or character.
Sure, as book fans, we'd like more detail, more hobbits, more everything...but - these are awesome, incredible, beautiful movies. Spectacular films that capture the spirit of the books. It is very easy to complain about what wasn't there...but please take a look at what WAS there and enjoy the films for what they are - fantastic adaptations of a fantastic story.
Post 326
ConnieMarie
Date Posted: Fri Jan 9, 2004 4:50 am
Hear, hear, JewelSong! I agree with EVERYTHING you said. This film took me from laughter to goosebumps to sobs over and over again. (Yes, I did laugh --for example, when Gandalf said: "Perhaps it's best if you don't speak at all." Goosebumps? Oh, the beacons!!! The mustering of the Rohirrim! The arrival of the Rohirrim! Tears? Pippin leaving Merry; Pippin's song; every bloody thing with Frodo and Sam; every ENDING.
Sure, I wanted to see more. I especially wanted to see more MERRY --see him swear fealty to Theoden and see more of the entire Witch King sequence. I wanted the Houses of Healing and the Mouth of Sauron and more Tower and more... Just more. But I shall have it, shan't I, in just a few months time. *grin*
And I offer my belated congratulations on your 2000 posts! You ROCK!
Post 327
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Fri Jan 9, 2004 8:02 am
Jewel, I would quote you, but then I would quote your whole post, so I'll just say, like Connie, that I agree with everything you said!
I especially wanted to see more MERRY --see him swear fealty to Theoden and see more of the entire Witch King sequence.
Oh yes, indeed. I was expecting to see him swear fealty to Theoden and when they skipped over it, I was very disappointed...for about 5 seconds lol.
Post 328
Rosie_the_hobbit
Date Posted: Fri Jan 9, 2004 8:56 am
Sure there were a few scenes I missed, and a few changes that I wasn't too thrilled with, but overall I loved the movie. The movie itself was just so good I can easily ignore a few minor gripes. We'll get some of the scenes back in the extended. Books and movies are not the same thing, and most of the changes I can understand from that standpoint. Some of the changes I even liked, such as the whole Mt. Doom sequence. I liked the way it is obvious that Frodo really wants to fall into the fire with the ring, and he has to chose to let it go. I've often seen that dynamic in the scene, though it was never specifically said by Tolkien. At that point Frodo probably would have wanted to follow the ring, even to his death. He thought he was about to die anyway, so why not die with his precious ring. (though at that point I doubt Frodo was thinking that clearly, he just wanted to be where the ring was) The way they did it looked much better cinematically than having Gollum just fall in. I know the purists are going to shoot me for saying that, but heck with them.
Congratulations on 2000 posts Jewel!!!
Post 329
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Fri Jan 9, 2004 9:05 am
Well, I won't go after you lol. I totally agree with you in fact. You can see it in Frodo's eyes, hanging off the edge, that it seems so easy to just...let go, and so much more difficult to try to stay alive, especially now that the Ring is gone.
Sam can see it too, but he's not willing to give up just yet, and his determination helps Frodo.
Very powerful from a cinematic perspective.
Post 330
Sunshine_10
Date Posted: Fri Jan 9, 2004 10:36 am
sams determination to help Frodo, that brought to me a tear. I was doing alright but as soon as he said "I can't carry this burden for you but I can carry you." I just let the river flow. I was so amazed to see how someone can actually go that far with a person and to risk their life in order to stay with the one whom they cherish most. I think that was what Tolkeins Idea also. He wouldn't let himself get out of touch with the ones whom he loved and made sure that everyone still had contact with him. Does that not make sence. Sams determination to stay with Frodo throught the whole time, and even when the ring was taking controll of him, making him say and do things that weren't rashional, it shows that he can see through that.
*Sunny*
-Congrats Jewel on your 2000!
Post 331
Orangeblossom_Bumbleroot
Date Posted: Fri Jan 9, 2004 12:32 pm
I've only seen the movie once so far, but as with the other two, in spite of changes and things left out I loved it. It still tells the story, just from a different point of view. I expected changes, and am looking forward to the extended version to see how it all pulled together. The beacons were breathtaking to me...it was at that point that I knew what little control I had over my emotions was diminishing. The good people of ME were pulling together, making their final stand, for whatever end might follow.
Post 332
WendyLadyofLothlorien
Date Posted: Fri Jan 9, 2004 12:52 pm
Tanwen,
Too bad you were disappointed with the movie...I have always been able to seperate the book from the films quite happily in my mind...mainly I suspect, because I didn't read LOTR for the first time until I'd seen FOTR in the cinema, so my first exposure to LOTR was PJ's first installment, which just blew me away...this was film-making on another level altogether...I was gobsmacked !!! So I am fortunate enough to be able to appreciate the films for just what they are...adaptations of the books !
I would recommend you go see the film again...now that you know exactly what is in and what is out, you will see it with new eyes...trust me, you will !!!
Well, I've come across this little piece of LOTR Heaven, coming my way soon...and the thing is that Our Lij is going to be filming in London ( at Ealing Studios ??? I should be SOOOO lucky -what...right on my back doorstep - Hurray !!! ) in April this year...I'm thinking along the lines of a guest star appearance. maybe ?
Fellowship Event 2004
Post 333
Tanwen_Luthien
Date Posted: Fri Jan 9, 2004 3:11 pm
I mainly thought that it was too rushed, and the Shire part at the end annoyed me. In fact, this movie is so rushed, that they fail to convey a lot of impact.
Helms Deep seemed like a bigger battle than Pelennor Fields. People are like "Yeah, so Eowyn killed some guy, who cares?" The Smeagol & Deagol parts were only there at the beginning to de-humanise Gollum because he had to be hated by the audience in order to die his firey death.
The map part at the end (and so the fellowship...) just, didn't really sum it all up. It made it seem more like an actual storybook than a real world with real people.
I am not just trying to be angry and irritating, I am truly hurt by this film. I was crying because, this is the end. It was not the magnificent end I had hoped for, but a hollywood interpretation of a masterpiece novel.
Post 334
JewelSong
Date Posted: Fri Jan 9, 2004 3:23 pm
I am sorry you feel that way, Tanwen, I really am. You will find most of us here in the Dragon do not agree with you and think the film was magnificent. But of course you are entitled to your own opinion, as is everyone.
It seems that you had really heard nothing about the movie beforehand if you didn't know that the Scouring had been cut early on.
I did not find that it had a "Hollywood" feel to it AT ALL - I shuddee to think of what it would have been like if Disney had made it, or if Miramax had gotten their one film, two hour movie. If Jackson had really been going fir a "Hollywood" ending, he would have ended it at Aragorn's coronation and not focused on the hobbits.
There are MANY discussions of the film's good and bad points going on over in the Movies forum and you would likely find people there who agree with you. You would also be able to read explanations for why certain scenes were shot the way they were.
I thought Eowyn vs the Witch King was one of the best scenes of the film - it gave me chills. The prologue with Smeagol and Deagol was there to show what Gollum had been, and what Frodo could become, not to make the audience hate Gollum. I am not sure what you were expecting that you were so disappointed. It seems as though you have misinterpreted much of the adaptation because you had a firm pre-conceived idea of what the film was going to be like.
You might try another viewing and see if it gets better for you.
Post 335
Sunshine_10
Date Posted: Fri Jan 9, 2004 3:29 pm
I agree the whole Eoywn and the Witch King, it was brilliant and it just made me look in awe at how well that part was put together. I remeber reading about it and wondering how they were going to do that. Itw truely was amazing. I loved it..she takes off her helmet and says "I am no man" that just sent the shivers up and down my spine at the same time.
The book gives it detail and the movie ties it in so nicely even though that is a major part anyway but the way they put it in with Merry and her was awesome. Litterally Awe-some.
*Sunny*
Post 336
Marea
Date Posted: Fri Jan 9, 2004 3:57 pm
You know... this movie.
It must be seen more than once. In fact, it must be seen A LOT.
Because it gets better and better with each viewing. The first time... it is so ovewhelming, you can't possibly take it all it. I found myself mostly noticing what WAS NOT included... or what was interpreted differently or out and out changed... and each time that happened was like a twinge to a nerve. It pulled me out of the story for a second each time, and the interruptions were distracting.
Second time.. much better (this time I found myself REMEMBERING myself a half second before the changed/tweaked scene.. that up ahead was a Changed/Tweaked scene... less distracting.)
The third time through (third time has ALWAYS been the charm for me with these films)... it just didn't matter. I fell into the story at the beginning like a hobbit drowing in a river until I was fished out by the beautiful credits at the end. And I was wet as if I had been dunked in a river... wet with big spotches of salt water (hey... I ran OUT of tissues... or didn't estimate the amount accurately).
Just a couple of days ago I went for my FIFTH time... all alone. A luxury I may not get again.. to see ROTK, in glorious big screen, in the company of just myself.
Well that time... it was devastating. I guess that open and emotionally transparent though I think myself to me... I do really hold back without knowing when there are people around...
Enough sighing and swooning about ROTK for one night... here's my take on The End...
I rather wish they had gone into the Ring Void for Frodo and Gollum's struggle. It would have been eerie and blurry and heightened the Spiritual - not just the Physical-fighting/brawling quality of the encounter. We've had a LOT of wrestling with Gollum in this film... but this would have been different, and creepy, as it should be...
And then that would make the break in the action, when Gollum bites off Frodo's finger, even more horrible and devastating.... as it should be.
What they did was.... okay. Not bad... we got the point across, didn't we... but as a moment of ultimate climax after the buildup of such a magnificent set of films, I'm afraid in my opinion it didn't... it maybe couldn't... really satisfy (though I think my way would have satisfied more..)
But... these are quibbles. Really. And I agree with Rosie and others... I liked how they did the scenes right before Mt. Doom was destroyed more than the way they were presented in the book, because PJ brought out the overall theme... the undercurrent of atmosphere in that scene that DOES (I believe) exist in the book but is merely whispered....
That Frodo at that point... is tempted to give up and give in. After all... he is dealing with a lot. Exhaustion and pain are the least of it. The despairing knowledge that - in the end - He Couldn't Do It. And... the Ring itself... fallen into the fire.
Remember what happened at the Council of Elrond back in Rivendell when Gimli hit the Ring with his axe? There was an immediate - and unpleasant - physical affect on Frodo.
Dare we take the leap and wonder and imagine what effects might have rippled through Frodo from the Ring during those moments when he was clinging to the ledge? And how absolutely crucial it was for Sam to be right there...
Did anyone notice... and I love this... that the Ring melts only AFTER Frodo has reached out and grasped Sam's hand? Frodo decides to fight to stay alive FIRST... while the Ring still exists. After he makes that life affirming choice the Ring ceases to be...
Am I reading too much into the fact... tell me... because it almost seems as if in this post script it does seem as though the film makers are saying that Frodo's choice ther was important... the the Ring's descruction had to pause for one last thing before it could finally melt into the molten fire. It seems to me as if, symbolically at least, Frodo was in the end, the person who destroyed the Ring.
Intruiging notion, isn't it? Whether you agree with me or not?
Wow... how's THAT for a return to the old monster post days! I'd love to hear everyone's reaction to this theory of mine though (only -I pray you - be gentle with me...)
Post 337
fishy071
Date Posted: Fri Jan 9, 2004 5:48 pm
That was the reason I said, "I need to see it again to accept the changes" after my first viewing. You remember when I kept saying that I could see ROTK only once, but my mind was changed overnight after that midnight showing. A few days later, I saw it a 2nd time, and I know I need to see it more.
Knowing that this is it is heartbreaking as well. I understand that books and movies can't be the same, but I felt the story too rushed. Those who didn't read the book will be confused. That's what happened when I saw FOTR the first time. I hadn't read the books, and got confused. I pretty much forgot everything, so it was like I didn't even see it. A lot of people told me the same thing. The confusion foorm the movie made me read the books.
Post 338
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Fri Jan 9, 2004 7:00 pm
Wow Marea, that is a fascinating thought...I like it. I like it a lot. Yes, indeed, very much so...
It's almost as if Frodo has to *reject* the Ring one last time before it can finally be destroyed, and in so doing he *reaffirms* his own will to live.
That's very...thought provoking...and goes a long way to making up for certain mistakes made in FotR, dealing with the Morgul-wound.
It makes Frodo strong again, if only for a moment.
At least, that's how I feel.
Wow, now I need to see it again.
Post 339
Trasmerg38
Date Posted: Fri Jan 9, 2004 7:55 pm
Tanwen, I agree in the fact that the movie felt rushed. It was for me too, as well as the first two films. But the EE of those two fixed the problem, and made them perfect, IMHO, and I have no doubt that the EE of RotK will be the best of the three. Sure, I didn't like some of the changes, like Frodo sending Sam home, but overall, the film was brilliant. I have never seen a book adaptation done so well.
I have read the books several times before these movies came out, and at first was disappointed in the changes, but it didn't take me long to fall in love with them. Watch it again, and enjoy it for what it is...a great movie! Then go back and read the book (as I am doing right now), enjoying it for what it is...a great piece of literature!
Did anyone notice... and I love this... that the Ring melts only AFTER Frodo has reached out and grasped Sam's hand? Frodo decides to fight to stay alive FIRST... while the Ring still exists. After he makes that life affirming choice the Ring ceases to be...
Yesssss, you're right! I don't know if I thought about it then, but I did notice the Ring hesitated until after Frodo grabbed Sam's hand...very interesting theory, Frodo "symbolically" destroying the Ring...I like it too!
Hear, hear, JewelSong! I agree with EVERYTHING you said. This film took me from laughter to goosebumps to sobs over and over again. (Yes, I did laugh --for example, when Gandalf said: "Perhaps it's best if you don't speak at all." Goosebumps? Oh, the beacons!!! The mustering of the Rohirrim! The arrival of the Rohirrim! Tears? Pippin leaving Merry; Pippin's song; every bloody thing with Frodo and Sam; every ENDING.
...and when Aragorn says, "For Frodo!" at the Black Gate...and the chills when Pippin looks into the Palantir...and...and...
Dang, this is a great movie!!
Post 340
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Fri Jan 9, 2004 9:28 pm
I, like fishy, didn't read the book until after seeing FotR in theaters, but as soon as I did, I went looking for it. Maybe that fact colors my perceptions somewhat, but I generally find it difficult to find fault with PJ.
BTW, did anyone watch Charlie Rose? He interviewed Elijah, Sean and Andy. It was very nice. Andy talked about how LotR films may change the industry. He said that these movies prove that audiences don't want to sit through special-effects bonanzas; audiences want to be moved by film in a very personal way, and it goes to show that the two aren't mutually exclusive. His opinion mirrors my thoughts exactly.
Post 341
WendyLadyofLothlorien
Date Posted: Fri Jan 9, 2004 10:57 pm
Jewel,
" did not find that it had a "Hollywood" feel to it AT ALL - I shuddee to think of what it would have been like if Disney had made it, or if Miramax had gotten their one film, two hour movie. If Jackson had really been going fir a "Hollywood" ending, he would have ended it at Aragorn's coronation and not focused on the hobbits.
Oh my God...can you imagine the travesty we would have been subjected to ?? It would be even worse than Ralph Bakshi's effort ( Now, I haven't actually seen his cartoon version, but I've heard enough about it and seen stills from it to know that I would HATE it with a passion - cast it to the flames !!! )
The likes of Miramax and Disney are really only interested, at the end of the day, in one thing - a good financial return for their investment - and obviously New Line, too, are just as interested in a good return, but in their case, they were willing to take a HUGE risk and go for it in a BIG way, the only way this book could have been adapted, in three parts, and LONG ones too ( and even now, as Tanwen feels, ROTK just isn't long enough !!! )
I have it on good authority, ( from the mouth of PJ himself ) that the ROTK SE DVD will be embellished with an extra 50 minutes of cut scenes re-instated...Eowyn and Faramir's story will be one, and Saruman's demise, of course, will be another...there will be the Houses of Healing where Aragorn proves he is the rightful heir by healing with Kingsfoil, and the trudge to Mordor will be longer...
So Tanwen, you will be a lot happier with the Extended DVD when it comes out ...
Marea,
Your observation about the Ring seeming to wait for Frodo to make up his mind about whether to fall along with it was correct, this is precisely how PJ and Elijah decided to make the whole CoD scene just a little more ambiguous than the book - it can be interpreted many different ways, and it has certainly inspired many a deep discussion on many messageboards all over the internet, this one included, of course !!
" rather wish they had gone into the Ring Void for Frodo and Gollum's struggle. It would have been eerie and blurry and heightened the Spiritual - not just the Physical-fighting/brawling quality of the encounter. We've had a LOT of wrestling with Gollum in this film... but this would have been different, and creepy, as it should be...
And then that would make the break in the action, when Gollum bites off Frodo's finger, even more horrible and devastating.... as it should be.
I think you are right about this...I can't help thinking that Gollum looked a little daft fighting an invisible assailant...it would have been MUCH better if they had done the Frodo point of view instead...the whole invisible effect would have been fantastic, imo, and would have been the only invisible episode in the whole film ( am I right about that ? I've only seen the film once and now I'm not so sure ! )
Post 342
Tanwen_Luthien
Date Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2004 1:14 am
I just think that Gollum's position should have been changed more, sort of scrambling for the ring instead of hitching a piggyback from Frodo.
I think the movie should have been split into two parts. The first, maybe titled "The War of the Ring" (as Tolkien had wanted ROTK to be) ending as Sam enters Mordor (effectivley). The second being Return of the King, and having the Ring destroyed and so on. Maybe we could have had more of the Shire, maybe with Sam actually moving into Bag End, and the Houses of Healing. This way, we could have SEEN SARUMAN AT THE START OF THE FIRST PART!!!!!!!
Calms down
Well, I got that off my chest.
Post 343
fishy071
Date Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2004 2:38 am
Seeing the changes always makes me want the SE DVDs. I wish they just had the SE versions. They may be long, but theaters have had movies that are over 3 hours long.
Post 344
ConnieMarie
Date Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2004 5:39 am
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Post 345
ConnieMarie
Date Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2004 5:39 am
I just had to say: Marea! Amazing observation; I don't think the fact the Ring melted only after Frodo took Sam's hand really registered with me, seeing as I am an emotional wreck at that point, even after eight viewings!
I will look at that VERY carefully when Rosie and I see ROTK tomorrow! (She's coming down and I am SO glad. It'll be the first time I get to see one of my ROTK buddies since the Gathering and I have been pining for them ALL.)
Post 346
JewelSong
Date Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2004 6:17 am
Well...about showing the scene at Mt Doom from Frodo's perspective.
While it seems like it might have been "cool" it really would have been a HUGE departure from the books. By that time, we are seeing *everything* from Sam's POV. Frodo is basically lost to us. The thing about that scene, in the books, is that *Sam does not know what is happening*. We, as the audience, should presumably be as confused as Sam at this point.
Also, Tolkien never wrote about what Frodo saw or felt after he slipped the Ring on at Mt Doom, as he did on Weatherop and at Amon Hen. We are left to imagine what was happening once Frodo actually CLAIMED the Ring. We have become, in effect, Sam.
As far as the "invisible fight" goes...it was filmed pretty much as it was described in the books. I know they filmed it with Elijah and Andy and then digitally removed Elijah, so that is actually how they were fighting. No matter how they showed it, it looks a bit ridiculous to see someone fighting with an invisible person.
I love the climax of the scene, though. I think it was was perfect.
Post 347
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2004 8:43 am
We have become, in effect, Sam.
That is one of the things about the film that made me really happy; like Tolkien, PJ gradually shifts the perspective from Frodo to Sam, so that by the end, it's Sam's story, rather than Frodo's.
Post 348
Sunshine_10
Date Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2004 3:20 pm
froda_baggins you know I didn't think of that the way he changed the view point in the books. Intersting, very interesting indeed. I think it was good that he did that, so they could see what happened after Frodo went away.
As for the Extended Versions. I cannot wait until they all come out. There is going to be more awe-some things on it. I am very excited. So how come November is so far away. I am awaiting the houses of healing
*Sunny*
Post 349
Tanwen_Luthien
Date Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2004 4:22 pm
On a different note, have you guys looked at the Lord of the Peeps website? It is really funny!! It's just www.lordofthepeeps.com
Check it out sometime!
Post 350
fishy071
Date Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2004 5:38 am
I didn’t see that point either, Marea. Thanks for bringing it up!
Thanks for posting that link, Tanwen! I’ve looked at it. It was funny.
I'm finally back at my apartment.
Post 351
HONEYELF
Date Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2004 6:41 am
Marea, I love your point about the Ring only being destroyed after Frodo chooses not to go into the fire with it.
But I didn't really see this as a choice to live. I thought Frodo was choosing to die with someone who loved him and whom he loved, as I don't think he expected to live at all post-Ring. So this wouldn't have yet been a choice to "fight to live."
Tanwen, I was a bit dissapointed in the movie first time around too. But having seen it 3 times since I love it. Mostly I was just mourning the loss of stuff I wanted in there.
Honey!
Post 352
Tanwen_Luthien
Date Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2004 4:32 pm
I suppose, it was mainly that I don't think it lived up to the first two.
Post 353
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2004 6:40 pm
Just got back from my 5th viewing!
Minas Morgul still makes me shiver.
Shelob still scares the pants off me.
And I still bawled my eyes out!
Post 354
GreenleafLady
Date Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2004 6:46 pm
Froda! 5 times? Stop that, you're making me sad that I mave no money to go again.
Uh, hello there everyone. This looks like a lovely place to hang out. Nice to meet you all. I'm Greeny.
Post 355
Tanwen_Luthien
Date Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2004 6:49 pm
Hey Greeny!
Still sprouting the leaves?
Post 356
GreenleafLady
Date Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2004 7:03 pm
Hi Tanwen! Heehee, yes. I need to over there, thanks for the reminder.
*Greeny walks up to the bar and orders an ale.* Ah!
Post 357
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2004 7:06 pm
GREENY!!
You made it!!!
Post 358
GreenleafLady
Date Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2004 7:14 pm
Yup.
Say, this is some good ale you have here.
Post 359
Tanwen_Luthien
Date Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2004 7:26 pm
The mead is good as well!
Post 360
fishy071
Date Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2004 8:20 pm
Welcome GreenleafLady! The food and drink here are good as others say.
Post 361
JewelSong
Date Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2004 3:02 am
Good morning all. We have been having a cold snap up here in Boston and to make matters worse, there was a decrease in gas pressure and my furnace went out...I was without heat for almost 24 hours. It was quite...um...chilly!
About the movie - I really think that this is a movie you need to see more than once, as Marea said. There is *so much* going on that it feels like an assault and is hard to process the first time.
Tanwen, again, I am surprised that you liked the first two movies and not ROTK, especially since TTT had so many diversions and changes from the text. You are certainly in the minority - even the "purists" over in movies seem to like ROTK best (or to dislike it least!) And of course, the critics are raving - calling this the "best of the trilogy." (Oscar, Oscar!)
About this thread...please, please try not to turn it into a chat thread with one-line posts. The Dragon is a light-hearted place to be sure, but we do try to listen to each other and post when we have something to say...even if the something is funny or frivolous. (And hobbit-related, of course!)
Now, off to face the week! Onward!
Post 362
Sunshine_10
Date Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2004 8:01 am
Yes I have heard that it is being acclaimed the best film of the year. And why wouldn't it be? It is isn't it?! The movie was awesome and it really was super. It may have been different than the book but I was expecting that. Just one quick question, At the end of ROTK when the ground falls did that happen in the book? that was just one thing I don't remember. I wanted to know for sure, even though I have read the books a number of times that part I don't remember..thanks!
*Sunny*
Post 363
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2004 11:28 am
Just a tally for you ladies...I've been spending a lot of time lurking (and occasionally chatting) in the RotK Oscar Buzz thread in Movies, and so far RotK has won a total of 11 Best Picture awards and 13 Best Director awards.
If it doesn't get recognized by the Academy, I have a feeling there will be more than just angry Ringers out there.
Sunshine: I don't think the ground drops out like that in the book, I think it's just Sauron's armies run away or drop their weapons. Though I'm pretty sure the Gate and the towers et al. fall pretty much like the movie. It's just dramatic effect I suppose.
Though I could be wrong; I don't have the book right in front of me at the moment.
Post 364
Rosie_the_hobbit
Date Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2004 12:04 pm
Here is the clip from book. The earthquake is right from the book, and the tower and the black gate did crumble, though it doesn't say the ground swallowed some of the army (though it does say some of them cast themselves into pits). So yes, while it was embelished for the movie the general idea is from the book.
But Gandalf lifted up his arms and called once more in a clear voice:
"Stand, Men of the West! Stand and wait! This is the hour of doom."
And even as he spoke the earth rocked beneath their feet. Then rising swiftly up, far above the Towers of the Black Gate, high above the mountains, a vast soaring darkness sprang into the sky, flickering with fire. The earth groaned and quaked. The Towers of the Teeth swayed, tottered, and fell down; the mighty rampart crumbled; the Black Gate was hurled in ruin...
The Captains bowed their heads; and when they looked up again, behold! their enemies were flying and the power of Mordor was scattering like dust in the wind. As when death smites the swollen brooding thing that inhabits their crawling hill and holds them all in sway, ants will wander witless and purposeless and then feebly die, so the creatures of Sauron, orc or troll or beast spell-enslaved, ran hither and thither mindless; and some slew themselves, or cast themselves in pits, or fled wailing back to hide in holes and dark lightless places far from hope.
Post 365
JewelSong
Date Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2004 12:33 pm
Wow, Rosie...reading that passage gives me chills! I'd say PJ got it right...and I loved how the "explosion" mirrored what we saw in the Prologue to FOTR, at the Last Alliance. It was like a cleansing blast - clearing everything away that was foul.
Great scene!
Post 366
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2004 12:46 pm
I noticed that too, the first time I saw RotK. That was a great connection. And definitely an awesome scene. I always cry as the tower crashes down, especially when you see the tears in Gandalf's and Aragorn's eyes as they watch...I mean, this is something that they have dreamed about, hoped for, worked for, for a very long time. To see it finally happening, when they were so close to losing everything...it's the epiitome of Tolkien's "eucatastrophe".
PJ really got that one right.
Post 367
fishy071
Date Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2004 1:10 pm
Thanks for the passage! Jackson got emotional things right. The movie tugs our emotions as the book does. There are just parts that bring out fear, laughter, and tears. LOTR movies need to be seen more than once.
JewelSong, my brother goes to MIT, and it's been freezing there.
Sunshine_10 reaches 1000 posts! Congratulations!
Post 368
Marea
Date Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2004 3:38 pm
Stopping here VERY briefly to say that I went to the Lincoln Center ROTK event in NYC this weekend and that a report of some kind will be put out somewhere... but as I am exhausted and haven't written it yet I can't tell you where or when.
But I have time to stop and make one little comment/observation.
Many of us have written how we must see ROTK over and over to fully get its impact... and that is definately true. What I think we're all implying is that a lot of factors are involved in how one experiences a movie.. mood you are currently in, how tired you are currently, how much you are able to notice and process detail, if you tend to be more visually or orally oriented... so different aspects of the film will or will not jump out at you in a rich, weighty film like ROTK is. If you have the money and the time, to truly appreciate ROTK you almost have to test the viewing of the film against what is currently going on in your life (and hopefully what I just said makes some sense to ya'all...)
So...take a moment, close your eyes.... and imagine me sitting in the VERY LAST SEAT of the back of Lincoln Center Saturday night... sitting and watching the Cirith Ungol and the Barad Dur and the Mt. Doom and the rescue of the Eagles scenes from ROTK... a mere hour or so after having met and spoken (and taken photos of) Elijah Wood and Sean Astin.
One word - devastating. Yes... that is really the only word.
Encountering "the hobbit boys" in the lobby a scant few yards away made Middle Earth spill over into New York City... and in turn when I was back in the darkened theater what I saw on screen caused the Real World to merge with what was happening on screen. The pain and the exhaustion and the terror was just all too convincing to me.... and I found myself reacting more like I was watching members of my family suffering before me than watching talented actors bringing characters to life in a movie.
My consciousness was tearing in two, in turns shuddering with joyful glee at a few hundred seconds of blissful conversation.. and shuddering in horror at the devastatingly depicted scenes in Mordor.
Pretty much brought an asthma attack on myself, fighting my own emotions in an attempt to not become overwhelmed by them. Blinked away many tears and muffled not a few cries of alarm I would have uttered had I not firmly I squashed my overwrought self in the interest of not disturbing the PACKED... and almost reverently silent (at times) auditorium.
And also because - while I had my digital camera and a total THREE different mini voice recorders on me (hey... I was not taking chances here) - I had NO tissues!!
And just so you know... I am reporting this to you folks here first... but it may be a few days before I can sort through my jangled impressions and the heightened emotionality of it all enough to make sense. Be patient with me.... please... as you've always been, and I promise you a good story (and a true one.)
(I AM going to save up for a counselor... really I am... one of these days).
Sigh.
Post 369
Tanwen_Luthien
Date Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2004 4:25 pm
Wow.
That is really deep...
Hey, you got to meet Elijah?
No fair!
*sulk*
Post 370
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2004 4:32 pm
Marea: Wow, that was overwhelming just reading about it.
I...don't have anything else to say lol.
Post 371
Tanwen_Luthien
Date Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2004 5:03 pm
It's Ok Froda.
Sometimes silence can mean more than a thousand words...
But it's much more fun nattering and yelling, no?
Post 372
fishy071
Date Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2004 6:09 pm
Good article, Marea.
I took pictures of Wood and Astin at Comic-Con back in July.
Post 373
GreenleafLady
Date Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2004 7:21 pm
Hello all. Again.
Have no fear, I am not coming in here to spam up this lovely thread. I was invited to join in, so I came to check it out and say hi. I promise to behave myself (really, I am very well behaved.) and post thoughtfully and appropriately. Heehee, I'll be good.
Wow, Marea, that was an amazing account! I know exactly what you mean about each viewing being different. The first time I saw ROTK, I think I was just overwhelmed. I was very perturbed that I didn't cry, not even tear up. But boy the second and third viewings!
I think that the first time, we were just too concerned with what the story would be like, how it would be different, and how PJ would present our beloved story. But after that is over with, then we can really get into the story and connect with the character's journeys. The emotional layers resonate so much, but during the first viewing, we could hardly get past that first layer of stunning visuals and story changes. (That's pretty much what we all got out of the first veiwing, right? ) I can't wait to see it a fourth time and experience it again on another level.
You all who have got to meet them... AH! You lucky ducks.
Post 374
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2004 8:00 pm
LOL Greeny of course you'll behave.
Hey, don't be jealous! Remember where we're going in a couple of months!
Post 375
Trasmerg38
Date Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2004 8:57 pm
Welcome Greeny!! You'll love it here, I'm sure!
Marea...what an emotional trip! I'll be very good and fairly patient waiting for your report!
...wish I could meet some hobbits!! *sigh*
Pippin and Merry yell simultaniously, "And what would you call us???
Oooh, present company excepted. Come, I'll buy you both a pint!
At this, Traz was more than forgiven by both....
Post 376
fishy071
Date Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2004 9:15 pm
I'm trying to get in a 3rd viewing of ROTK. Wood, Astin, and Monaghan were at Comic-Con in July. There were too many people, and I couldn't get autographs. THe following day, Astin was signing autographs, but I forgot about it when they were going ot charge $20, which I couldn't afford.
However, I did get Monaghan's autograph at Comic-Con 2002.
Post 377
Tinewen
Hobbit Friend
Date Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2004 4:14 am
Tin settles into a cosy corner of the Dragon and begins the wait for Marea's report (which I'm sure will be full of wonderful detail and insights!)
Marea, I can't begin to imagine what it must have felt like to watch the film after just having spoken to Sean and Elijah. "Emotionally overwhelming" is a phrase that comes to mind. I would love to have the opportunity to experience what you did - art and real life merging. Would be surreal I would think.
And isn't it wonderful to watch it with an audience that does revere it. The first time I went to see ROTK was like that - the atmosphere was just amazing. A very respectful audience. Unlike the last two times! I swear this kid that sat next to me during one viewing was having a picnic right there in the cinema - must have been a hobbit in disguise! He did not stopping eating/ rustling plastic bags and slurping his drink throughout the whole movie. Or the second time I saw it and had two girls behind me who had obviously gone with their boyfriends and were not very interested. They talked and giggled through much of the movie! I don't know why people bother going if they are going to talk. I still enjoyed both of these viewings but it did spoil things a little. From now on I'm going to be more careful about where I sit!
Oh and Marea, I think we'd all better sign up for some group therapy!
On a different note, I finally got to see "All I Want" (or Try Seventeen as it is sometimes known) the other night. I managed to track down a video store that had it and because I wanted to avoid being teased for watching another "Elijah" movie, I waited until everyone had gone to bed. Unfortunately that wasn't until about midnight so I didn't get to bed until about 2.00am! But it was worth it because that film has Elijah in just about every frame. *sigh*(Many cushions were in use, I can assure you! ) I do love how he picks these "quirky" little films and seems to stay away from the bigger 'star' films. And he has a real comedic streak too that I would like to see more of.
Congratulations Jewel on your 2,000 posts! I think I commented when you reached 1,000 that I was just approaching my 100th post and here I am getting close to 200 as you reach 2,000. You are amazing! Go, Jewel.
Hello to all the newcomers. Welcome to the Dragon.
Tin
Post 378
Sunshine_10
Date Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2004 6:14 am
(Thanks for the info about the grounds falling)
For me ROTK was awe-some, but the only problem was the people beside me didn't understand what was going on. They wanted me to explain everything as the movie progressed. I was upset and told them to wait until we are in the car. Only problem is, they have very short attention spans for and they didn't really pay attention and asked me bits an peices of the movie were about. So on the way home I read ROTK the bits that they needed to know, plus what they didn't see and needed to know. Stuff like that. But all in all I hope I didn't desturb anyone around me when I told them "quiet Later" Otherwise I would have felt bad. But the movie all and all was awesome.
*Sunny*
Post 379
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2004 7:49 am
Tin, you are awfully lucky to have found a place that has it. I haven't been able to find it, and it looks really good. *Sigh*
Post 380
WendyLadyofLothlorien
Date Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2004 12:27 pm
Greenleaf Lady,
Welcome to our little corner of TORC...it's a lovely little pub, with the best Somerset cider on draught...just like they'd drink in the Shire itself...( if Sam's accent is anything to go by )
This place is for nattering about the books and the films, and the actors' performances too, and any chance encounters we may have with any of the Hobbits, with particular reference to Frodo and Sam...so if you love either of them, you'll fit in really well here...
Here - have a pint on me
Marea,
Don't tell me you've managed to meet Our Lij AGAIN ???...( must not feel jealousy, must not feel jealousy...jealousy is a sin, jealousy is a sin ..)
Oh well, we have to be extremely grateful that you have the talent to actually write about your experiences in such a way that your reports are always a great joy to read, thank goodness...( nothing worse than an illiterate report, imo !!! )...so we all look forward to reading your acount with baited breath...
Sunny,
How irritating to watch a movie like ROTK with a load of oiks who can't appreciate the artistry of these films ...I suggest you find some like-minded fans to go with next time...people who DON'T need explanations...trust me, it makes for a much more enjoyable time, especially when the inevitable post-mortem happens, in the pub afterwards...
Must quit now...RL intervenes !!!
Post 381
WendyLadyofLothlorien
Date Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2004 12:29 pm
Double post trouble...dammit !!!
While I'm here, I'll just say that tomorrow evening, I get to watch "The Ice Storm", which I taped the other day, for the first time...I've heard such good things about this movie, I am really looking forward to it ! What are your impressions of it, btw ? Is it a goodie or a baddie ? !!!
Post 382
Tanwen_Luthien
Date Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2004 3:32 pm
You know, nobody interesting ever comes to Australia.
*Sulk again*
Why?
WHY?
Why?
By the way, I'm open for answers.
Post 383
Sunshine_10
Date Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2004 5:29 pm
Thanks Wendy!! I know next time I am making a point of going with people who know their stuff, but then that will be when the movie comes out on DVD..sheesh..have..to..wait..so long.
but its all good. I have another thing. Now I was on another board and this person was giving us a hard time, trying to debate that Tolkien should have just let the Eagles take the ring to Mordor (this wasn't on Tolkienonline) but they kept on persisting that it would have been easier, we tired to reason and say to them that it was written the way it was. So does anyone know how I could tell the person why he used Frodo instead of eagles...but still I just want to say thanks for however can explain this in a way I can explain to this other person.
*sunny*
Post 384
Frodo925
Date Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2004 6:06 pm
Sure -- the eagles would have been too easy! Tolkien was making a point about human nature, and also creating one large religious allegory. Frodo as "everyman" (sort of) was the one small person who had to defeat a great evil; and who had to sacrifice everything about himself in order to do so. Tolkien is talking about accepting duty and understanding what is demanded of us, even if we don't want to do it, and even if it'll result in our losing ourselves. If the Eagles had taken the Ring, it would have suggested that we could all sit back and let things be done for us. Easier, but not as good for human nature!
Post 385
Trasmerg38
Date Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2004 6:08 pm
Sunshine, there are a couple of threads in books that discuss this very thing including this one: Why not use the eagles to fly to Mt Doom
I hope it helps!
As for seeing the movie, I saw it twice so far. The first time had my daughter and me constantly shushing these four giggling girls directly behind us. The second time I went with my former neighbor, who is a huge fan of the books (thanks to the first movie). I thought it would be a better viewing, but found myself picking it apart in some spots and making jokes about others with her instead of quietly reliving the moment... I'm hoping to see it at least once more before they kick it out of the theater.
Post 386
fishy071
Date Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2004 8:06 pm
Tinewen, sorry you had to deal with those disruptive people in the theater, and you don’t get interesting people in Australia. I’m not sure what the reason is. Maybe they’ll go there one day.
Sorry you had people bothering you and not paying attention, Sunny. My dad was like that when watching the SE DVDs.
Traz, sorry you had to deal with distractions, too. I’ve only seen ROTK twice, too, but I want to see it again.
I’ve heard and read about the question of just going to Mordor on Eagles, but my response has usually been that if they did that, there will be no story. Tolkien wanted to build and portray characters. I also find that he expressed himself through his works, and taught people good lessons.
Post 387
GreenleafLady
Date Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2004 8:35 pm
Thanks for all the warm welcomes. I was kinda thinking that elven-folk like myself might not feel quite at home here, but I think that I just may stick around for awhile. And since I LOVE a good cider... thanks for the pint, Wendy! (Do we just call you Wendy?)
The eagles... easier?!? Oh, good grief. Sunny, is that guy for real?
Frodo925 and fishy up there got it right on the money, imho. And besides, would he have wanted to read/see that story instead? Ask him. Lol.
I truly feel bad for all of you who had to put up with disrespectful movie watchers. Why do they go if they want to talk, indeed!
I've been pretty lucky my three veiwings, but then again I went at times when most people don't go... early matinees and such.
*sigh* It would be so far beyond cool if all of us TORCers could somehow watch it together. Yeah, I know, keep dreaming. Lol.
~Greeny
Post 388
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2004 8:44 pm
*Sigh*
I wish we could all get together.
Hey! SAG nominations are going to be announced tomorrow! Let's hope Sean gets one, since it would give him a lot of much-needed publicity for Oscar!
Post 389
Damalur-sol
Date Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2004 9:23 pm
What is it with audiences right now? Honestly, if they have more important things to do than watch the movie they can go elsewhere. Sorry, I just got back from RotK (fourth time ) and the people behind me insisted on talking or giggling during the best parts of the movie. Billy's song, Shelob, Mt. Doom, and the Grey Havens. Why must they insist on this childishness?
A cider sounds great right now, I'll just have one and try to forget about the incident.
Here's to a nomination for Sean Astin, let's keep our fingers crossed.
Post 390
fishy071
Date Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2004 9:32 pm
I forgot: Welcome Frodo925!
I usually go for matinees, too, GreenLeafLady. Besides less crowds, they’re also cheaper.
Sorry you had to put up with that, Damalur-sol.
Post 391
Trasmerg38
Date Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2004 5:03 am
I like the matinees too, for reasons Fishy pointed out. The second viewing we went was a matinee. For the most part it was great, no one in front of me or behind me. My friends that I went with were just over excited as I was, I guess. But another distraction was that someone from the back row kept dropping their candy and letting it roll down the floor. Sometimes just one or two, sometimes a whole handful! I wanted to catch some of it and hurl it back...
My pint is empty...I'll try some of that cider now!
Post 392
Sunshine_10
Date Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2004
Thanks for the Link, that helped. Yea that guy was for real and he was still going on about it, until I told him why Tolkien didn't use the Eagles. I appreciate that very much, now I can tackle whoever else asks!
I agree, when also watching the SE DVD's people don't stop their yatter about how much they don't know and they just keep on and on going, so to quiet them down I use food, but then there is all the crunching, but at least they arn't talking...
*Sunny*
Post 393
fishy071
Date Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2004 9:18 pm
Good luck tackling that guy, Sunnny!
Soft noises usually don't bother me during movies. Another thing that bothers me in theaters is the people behind me kicking my seat, or people nearby moving so roughly. The kicking adn rough moves shake my seat, giving me headaches and dizziness.
Post 394
WendyLadyofLothlorien
Date Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 1:01 am
Hello Green Dragon denizens...
Noisy cinema goers, eh ? They are the scourge of good film-viewing and to my mind there's a good case to be made for membership cinemas, where you have to join up by paying a monthly or annual fee, and you get newsletters etc...this would deter all the people who go to the cinema just to fill their time, because they are bored, and leave the films for those of us who really WANT to watch something uninterrupted...what do you think ?
Or you could always save your pennies and invest in some prime private cinema equipment...a room in your own house devoted to an enormous wall-sized plasma screen, with comfy wide seats and sofas, drinks and nibbles on demand...Oh, cinema Heaven !!!
Now then, for anyone who, like me, will be seeing ROTK again, very soon...something to listen out for...
At the Grey Havens, when Frodo embraces Sam, he has been, apparently, overheard to whisper " I love you" in Sam's ear...now, this was heard on a pirate DVD with reasonably good sound quality, turned up to max strength...now the person who claims it's there says that you can see Sam visibly relax his shoulders when Frodo says it, as if it's a comfort to him, and all sorts of arguments have been gone through as to whether PJ wouldn't have either edited it out, if it WASN'T supposed to be there, OR made it perfectly audible if it WAS supposed to be there..and not left it as an ambiguous line of dialogue that Elijah put in because it felt so right at the time...
So get your highly-tuned listening ears on when that scene comes up and tell us all what you hear !!
Sunny,
"Now I was on another board and this person was giving us a hard time, trying to debate that Tolkien should have just let the Eagles take the ring to Mordor
This person you've mentioned here...to my mind, they are either totally dimwitted, and don't get the whole point of the story, in which case, you may put them right with a well-thought out, reasoned post..
OR they are what's known in the trade as a TROLL...this is a technical term for someone who comes on to a fan-based messageboard like this one, and posts things with the sole purpose of riling everyone there, getting everyone absolutely worked up about their views..these nitwits really get off on annoying fans, and as such should be ignored with the contempt they richly deserve...don't feed their habit by giving them the honour of a decent reply...they won't understand it and never intended to in the first place !!!
(Spoiler alert for anyone who hasn't seen "The Ice Storm" yet )
( This comes with in-built apologies to Honeyelf, who has probably read this little report three times now !!!..well, if I write it once, I don't feel the need to write it again when I can just C&P instead ...the thing is, I just LOVE to get different people's opinions about something like this, and compare them to mine...you know how it is !!! Honeyelf just happens to frequent the same threads as me ...)
Well, I finally saw "The Ice Storm" a couple of nights ago...
I must say, it was a very emotionally charged film, if you know what I mean - full of strained very-near-the-edge moments....didn't you just want to shake Wendy's mother and tell her to loosen up and SAY what she's thinking, for God's sake ?...( Not surprising her marriage was on the rocks - if I was married to her, I'd probably be having an affair as well, just for some Human contact !!! )
As for Our Lij's character, Mikey Carver, well he was the perfect example of a withdrawn teenager, just on the verge of discovering sex for the first time...you really saw the distance between him and his Parents, no more so than when his Father came home from his business trip and said Hello to both his sons, and Mikey turned around and said
"You were gone ??? "
That to me, spoke volumes...kudos to Elijah's acting skills here...
As for the experimental kiss in the empty swimming-pool, well, I do hope he's improved his kissing technique since that was filmed ...mind you, I think I read somewhere that this was his very first kiss in a movie, and his mother was on set as well, which he found both embarrassing and off-putting at the time..(Well, it would, wouldn't it ? )
To my mind, he played the awkward, angst-ridden, fumbling teenager to the very best of his ability, which IS considerable, as we know...and the fact that it needed the death of poor Mikey to show everyone just how very selfish they all were being made this film into a masterpiece of angst-ridden relationship drama...
Those of you who have seen it, what did you all think of this film ?...
Well, after all that chatter, I think I may need another pint...
Post 395
Lidau
Date Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 8:42 am
*Lidau comes into the Dragon and joins Wendy I´ll have a pint with you!*
When I saw the Ice Storm for the first time, which was about a year ago, I hated it. It left me with such a feeling of emptiness and cold.
Very depressing. When I saw it again, I realized that this was probably what the director wanted to achieve - get that coldness in human relationships across to the audience. In that sense it´s well done, and I appreciate it more. It´s a good movie, but I wouldn´t say I "like" it. And I agree with you, Wendy, on EW´s acting talents. I think he did a good job there.
BTW, whoever remarked after "All I Want" she wanted to see more of his comedic side (I think it was Trasmerg, but I´m not sure), have you seen "Chain of Fools"? That was really funny.
Post 396
Trasmerg38
Date Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2004
BTW, whoever remarked after "All I Want" she wanted to see more of his comedic side (I think it was Trasmerg, but I´m not sure), have you seen "Chain of Fools"? That was really funny.
No, 'twasn't me, but I'd love to see some of Elijah's funny side. Of his movies (besides the obvious), I've only seen Radio Flyer, Forever Young, and part of The Faculty. I'm still dying to see him in Huck Finn (in the dress)
Oh, I finally saw Rudy and truly loved it! Sean Astin is such a good actor, imo, and I do hope they don't overlook him at the Oscars (political though they may be)!! Mho, of course!
Post 397
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 7:20 pm
I *love* Huck Finn. The part where he dresses up as a girl is classic!
I've seen...The Faculty, Deep Impact, Huck Finn, North, Flipper, Ash Wednesday...ummm...I think that's it, aside from LotR.
As for Sean's movies, I'm afraid I've only seen the Goonies lol.
Post 398
Trasmerg38
Date Posted:
Oh, I forgot Deep Impact...although I saw it years ago, not knowing who EW even was!
I also saw the Goonies years ago, then watched it again shortly after FotR came out. That was a cute movie, and Sean carried it quite well.
I also saw Master and Commander, in which Billy Boyd played Barrett Bonden, coxswain to Capt. Aubrey (Russell Crowe)...*swoooooon*... He needs to play in some more movies!
As for Dom (can't leave out Dom!!), I've seen previews of a movie or miniseries he was in, but can't remember the name of it. He was really good in that little short though! Anyone hear of it? I think it's a western, or at least set in the 19th or early 20th century....if I remember correctly.... I guess I'll have to go Googling.
Post 399
Sunshine_10
Date Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 7:49 pm
Dom is in more movies? Thats interesting, very interesting. I agree I believe I will check out ye-ole Google. sounds good.
Wendy:
Thanks for the message, that person has decided not to reply after what a bunch of us told him. So thats all good thanks anyway.
Thats also intersting about how the whole "I love you" thing is in there. I can't wait until ROTK comes out so I can see it...Alas that is the next time I will see it
*Sunny*
Post 400
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 7:54 pm
I haven't seen Master and Commander yet, and I haven't seen anything else with Dom either. Although I am considering seeing Fifty First Dates just because Sean Astin is in it. I'm not really a huge Adam Sandler fan, but Sean Astin would probably make it worth it lol.
Post 401
fishy071
Date Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 8:11 pm
Traz, I saw Master and Commander last month. There was a character who looked and sounded familiar, especially with the hair style (I’m bad at faces), and I was thinking, “Could this be Boyd?” I kept seeing Pippin. The end credits told me I had guessed correctly.
I don’t see movies because of actors and actresses. I see them for the story.
The power was turned off in our neighborhood last night, so I decided to catch a 3rd viewing of ROTK. I faced what some of you were talking about: disruptive audience. The people behind me kept talking and commenting about the scenes. They also kicked my seat. I turned around several times, but no use. The people in front of me were talking at times as well. The power was out for hours, so I couldn’t do many things. I ended up writing by candlelights, which would probably be a little Middle-Earth experience.
Post 402
JewelSong
Date Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2004 6:43 am
Well, I have seen many movies I would not normally have watched simply because one of the "boys" was in them!
Elijah:
The Faculty (So bad, it's good - great fun to watch)
Deep Impact (Liked it; Morgan Freeman as the President is awesome and there is actually a scene where Elijah's character holds a ring out on his outstretched palm! - talk about foreshadowing!)
Huck Finn (Didn't care for it; Elijah was cute)
Forever Young (With Mel Gibson; I loved this one)
Try Seventeen (retitled "All I Want" - kinda dumb but lots of Elijah doing lots of...um..."grown-up" things! )
Sean:
Goonies (adorable)
Rudy (Loved it)
Memphis Belle (Good war flick)
Where the Day Takes You (well-acted ensemble piece about homeless teens - quite sad)
Kimberly (not commercially available; incredibly stupid film about four guys on a rowing crew who all fall for the same woman. Sean is adorable in it, though.)
I also saw "Master and Commander" - which was astonishing - and of course, "Pirates of the Carribean" in the theaters. (Johnny Depp should absolutely get *some* kind of award for "Pirates" - he MADE that movie. And Orlando Bloom can't act, but he's so pretty, who cares?)
Post 403
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2004 9:09 am
(Johnny Depp should absolutely get *some* kind of award for "Pirates" - he MADE that movie. And Orlando Bloom can't act, but he's so pretty, who cares?)
Well, your wish is coming true Jewel, the critics groups and other awards groups are piling them on Johnny. BAFTA noms were announced this morning, and he got nominated there. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if he got an Oscar nom.
Anyway, back on topic lol, I usually don't see a film *just because* a particular actor is in it, though sometimes that does have an effect on whether I see a film in the theater or wait for it to come out on DVD!
Post 404
Sunshine_10
Date Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2004 10:25 am
Really you don't see a film because someone is in it? Well I must admit I have done that too. I don't watch preticualar films, but make a point of watching films that do have the actors in them. I guess it makes sence, and I agree when you don't want to watch the movie in theaters because of the actor but it is going to be a good movie, then you buy it, I guess there really is no way out of it is there...unless you don't watch anything at all.
Did anyone else know the actors before they played in LOTR? Or was it that movie that everyone watched because they loved the books then the actors came through that way...wait...I don'tthink that made sence. My apologies.
*sunny*
Post 405
Lidau
Date Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2004 1:56 pm
Sunshine, in answer to your question: I didn´t know any of them (except C. Lee). I thought that none of them had made a movie before...then, a little while later, I saw "The War" on TV...and the rest "is history" as we say here. Meaning I have seen many, probably most films they made.
Post 406
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2004 3:15 pm
I knew a few of them beforehand, particularly Elijah Wood and Sean Astin. I had seen several of Elijah's movies before LotR, and I grew up watching the Goonies lol.
I had also seen a couple of movies with Chris Lee in them, because I have a thing for Dracula.
And I was familiar with John Rhys-Davies because of Indiana Jones fame.
Umm...*thinks*..I think that's pretty much it...
Post 407
Sunshine_10
Date Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2004 4:09 pm
Come to think of it. I am pretty sure that Chrisopher Lee played in Star Wars and that Ian McKellan played as the Tsar of Russia in I believe it was called Rasputain It was an older movie that we watched last year in drama class, but I guess that was after FOTR came out! Anyway thanks!
*sunny*
Post 408
fishy071
Date Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2004 8:15 pm
I didn't know any of those actors before seeing LOTR. Lee plays Count Dooku in SW. I keep seeing Saruman in SW and Dooku in LOTR. In PoTC, I kept seeing Legolas, and in LOTR I kept seeing Will Turner.
Post 409
Trasmerg38
Date Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2004 8:50 pm
Before LotR, I knew (and loved) John Rhys-Davies from Indiana Jones, and I knew who Chris Lee was. I saw Goonies and Deep Impact, but didn't realize who Sean and Elijah were. I've also seen Viggo in Witness, but I didn't remember him either. Oh, I've also seen Sean Bean, he was in one of the Tom Clancey movies, I think, with Harrison Ford. And Hugo I knew from The Matrix...(I had to snicker when he welcomed Frodo to Rivendel, all I could hear was "Welcome to Rivendel, Mr. Anderson!" ) But I didn't watch LotR for any of these people, I watched it because this is one of my favorite books. When I first found out that someone was making a movie (summer of 2001), my first thoughts were of The Hobbit cartoon. But then my friend pulled up a trailer on the web for FotR. MY JAW HIT THE FLOOR! I was in shock! It was AMAZING!! I could not wait until December! I drove my husband nuts! 'course, I still do... Then, when I realized it was going to be three movies, the last of which would not come out until Dec 2003, I was devastated! How will I be able to wait that long!!!
...Well, it came and went, and the rest they say is history...*sigh*
"Bartender, pints all around!!"
It's so nice to have a virtual account here...and no hangovers!
Btw, Pirates was excellent, and JD really earned awards for that performance! Orli I thought was really good! I'm glad he got the girl.
Fishy, glad you spotted Billy. I love movies of that era, I love those 19th century ships, sailing the open seas...but when I found out Billy Boyd was in it, I was just too excited! And he did a smashing job, didn't he??? *swoooooOOOOOOoooooooon*
thud
Post 410
fishy071
Date Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2004 9:17 pm
Traz, I agree. Boyd did a good job in Master and Commander.
Post 411
Rosie_the_hobbit
Date Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2004 10:35 pm
I typically see movies for the story not the actors. LOTR actors have been the one exception to this. The War was the first movie I ever watched just because of who was in it. It was a very good movie, even aside from Elijah.
POSSIBLE ROTK EE SPOILERS:
I found this on the KB Toys website. Might we get Frodo and Sam marching with the orcs in the EE? We'll see.
Frodo and Sam in orc armour and Orc Whipmaster
Post 412
fishy071
Date Posted: Mon Jan 19,
Thanks for sharing, Rosie_the_hobbit! I'm not sure if it will be in the SE DVD, because from the way they filmed the theater version, I'm not sure where the scene will fit.
Post 413
Damalur-sol
Date Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2004 10:40 pm
I'd have to say that I really enjoyed Pirates because of JD, Orlando Bloom just looks like he's taking it too seriously, but as Jewel said, he's pretty.
I'm actually ashamed to admit that I knew Viggo Mortensen before Lord of the Rings because I had seen G.I. Jane. That movie was terrible, but when I saw the LotR trailers I realized that it was the same guy.
What I want to know is if anyone will truly sacrifice and see that new Adam Sandler movie simply because Sean Astin is in it? Could anyone stand it?
Post 414
Tanwen_Luthien
Date Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2004 12:30 am
I couldn't.
Eeeevvviillll!!!!!!
Hey, I got me a horsey shield!!
WOOHOO!
500!
Post 415
fishy071
Date Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2004 1:22 am
I saw G.I. Jane way before FOTR, but I couldn't recognize Mortenson.
Congratulations on 500 posts, Tinwen!
Post 416
Sunshine_10
Date Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2004 6:17 am
Oh wait, last night I was watching the Sci-Fi channel, and it had a preivew with John-Ryies Davies in it, I couldn't remember the name but the announce said..With the Lord of the Rings, John-Ryies Davies
I think I will even take time to watch that now..hum..it sounded intersting..(and please pardon my spelling of Ryies Davies)
*Sunny*
-Congrats on 500-
Post 417
Trasmerg38
Date Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2004 6:35 am
Congrats Tanwen!! Nice horsey!
Sunny, was it a movie preview or a series that you saw? John Rhys-Davies was also in a series called Sliders on Sci-Fi, which I used to watch all the time. I loved Q-ball.
I've never wanted to see G.I. Jane. As for watching Sean with Adam Sandler, I could do it. I can handle AS a LOT better than, say, Jim Carey. I saw the wedding singer, and rather enjoyed it.
What was that series on Showtime with Sean Astin? I wanted to watch that, but didn't have access.
Yes, since LotR came out, I check out all movies with our boys...I may not watch them, but I check them out.
Post 418
Sunshine_10
Date Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2004 7:01 am
Yes I rememember him is Sliders but this was for a movie. I really wish that I could remeber what was called. I believe it had to do with saving the world from some sort of Alien, or somthing like that. I know there was some sort of red flash in it. Although that probably didn't help. I think I will go googling to see if I can find it! Thanks anyway!
*Sunny*
Post 419
froda_baggins
Date Posted:
I'll probably see 50 First Dates....when it comes out on DVD. I don't think those kinds of movies are really worth seeing in the theater. I'd rather save my money for bigger movies like...Troy.
Post 420
HONEYELF
Date Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2004 9:12 am
I remember watching EJW in "Deep Impact" and thinking "HMmmmmm...mmm." Then I realized how young he was. Found out he'd done "Flipper"; thought "poor movie choices, he'll be over in no time." Promptly forgot about him.
Saw FoTR. Now I admit it took me till my third viewing to notice the subtle but very profound acting this young man was delivering, but by then I was a goner. I've seen everything of his I could get my hands on since.
I actually enjoyed "All I Want." You have to come at it from the right direction I think. What struck me straight away is the way the first several moments of the movie are really played out on EJW's face; he's like a silent film star. He doesn't need to speak to show us whats going on. It reminded me of a latter day Harold Lloyd film; Naive young thing going off to learn about life. Add a generous helping of 21st century angst, a lot of humor, and a little skin (and, yeah, some "adult" goings on) and you've got "All I Want."
I'm really looking forward to "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind." I love Charlie Kauffman movies! While I haven't been interested in most Jim Carrey movies, I did like "Liar, Liar" and
"Bruce Almighty," as well as the "Truman Show." I think he should be quite watchable in this one.
And I can't wait to see Elijah play a pitiful creep, which from early reports is what his role is.
Honey!
Post 421
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2004 9:33 am
I know exactly what you mean. Elijah can say so much with his eyes, it's creepy.
And I am really looking forward to 'Sunshine'.
I haven't been able to find 'All I Want' yet though.
Post 422
Trasmerg38
Date Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2004 12:43 pm
Hey Sunny, I just saw what you saw on Sci-Fi. It's called Dragon Storm "with Lord of the Rings' John Rhys-Davies"
Post 423
Sunshine_10
Date Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2004 3:35 pm
See I am not loosing my mind! I started to worry there! Thanks alot! lol! I believe I will take the time and actually sit down and watch it. Something I havn't done in a while..well since I sat down to watch ROTK. thats alright, does anyone know what time it is on?
Speaking of the movie with EW in it, the eye bit, yes I agree he will do fine, they are the greatest and at the same time, best for getting a message across, don't cha think?
*Sunny*
Post 424
fishy071
Date Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2004 4:56 pm
I didn't recognize Rhys-Davies in LOTR though I watched the Indiana Jones movies many years ago. It goes the same with Weaving. I didn't recognize him from The Matrix. The problem is I'm not good at names and faces, and will forget the actors' and actresses' names and faces of each movie.
Post 425
JewelSong
Date Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2004 5:18 pm
I had never really heard of ANY of the actors. I had a vague knowledge of Sean Astin and kind of knew he was Patty Duke's son. I had never heard of Elijah Wood - although my teenaged kids had. None of the others even rang the slightest bell.
Now, of course, I am the world's biggest fangirl.
I love my hobbit-boys, and have a fond spot in my heart for the Elf, the Dwarf and of course, the humans!
Post 426
Shadowfax8
Date Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2004 5:29 pm
*OT post because I'm still digging myself out of award-land...*
Hello ladies! For those of you who are interested, the winners have been posted for The 2003 Golden Mushroom Awards, complete with banners and acceptance and concession speeches! Enjoy!
Golden Mushroom Awards
Post 427
fishy071
Date Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2004 9:14 pm
That was funny, Shadowfax8. Thanks for sharing!
By the way, I finally learned how to edit pictures nad get them onto the internet, so if anyone is interested, here are pictures from events regarding Tolkien:
Pictures from Comic-Con 2003
Pictures from the ROTK midnight showing
Sorry for the poor quality, but I had to make the file sizes small for dialup connection, and to fit more pictures on my account.
Post 428
Sunshine_10
Date Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2004 10:53 am
Fishy those picutres gave me such a smile. They were good, even people standing around me thought so
Did anyone here go to the gathering? or the permire? if so what was it like?
does anyone know if they will be playing next year all three EE's of LOTR in the theater?
*Sunny*
Post 429
Tanwen_Luthien
Date Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2004 1:53 pm
I didn't get to go to either.
We hoped and hoped precious, but we still couldn't.
I hope they do that Sunny!
Of course, a lot of people may get deep vein thrombosis or something like that from being still so long. But who cares?
Post 430
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2004 2:17 pm
Has everyone heard that Elijah will be a presenter at the Golden Globes this Sunday night? Set your TVs everyone!
Post 431
Tanwen_Luthien
Date Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2004 2:59 pm
Wha?????????????
Woohoo!
What time?
Post 432
HONEYELF
Date Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2004 5:03 pm
I'm curious. I've been hearing for a couple of weeks now that you can hear a whisper as Frodo and Sam are embracing at the Grey Havens. Personally, though I have listened very hard, I can hear nothing there except maybe a little sob.
Supposedly what you can hear is Frodo whispering "I love you" to Sam.
Now it just strikes me that this would be out of character for one thing. Secondly it seems it would be redundant by my way of thinking; Frodo and Sam have proved that they love each other over and over by actions. (It could be argued that Frodo is proving it by leaving, so that Sam may have a full life in the Shire and not always be "torn in two." )
Any thougths? Why do some amongst our sisterhood of LOTR fanatics want this line to be there? Would it really be out of character? Redundant? Maybe you are convinced you've heard it?
Curiously,
Honey!
Post 433
Trasmerg38
Date Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2004 5:21 pm
Supposedly what you can hear is Frodo whispering "I love you" to Sam.
I'm sorry, but I'm going to vent a little here.
[vent] WHO CARES! [/end vent]
This is how I feel, it is quite obvious that they love each other, in the books and even in the movie. They are the best of friends. They have gone through hell and back with each other. They have taken care of each other, watched each others back. They would die for each other. Of course they love each other! Why do they have to say it? I hope I'm wrong here, but I feel that those who want to hear them say it are those who want them to be more than just friends...and I just don't want to go there, if you take my meaning. In other words, they are NOT gay. There, I've said it. Geeze!
This post isn't directed to anyone in particular, just had to get it off my chest.
BOY do I need a pint.....maybe some of that honey apple brew, eh?
Post 434
HONEYELF
Date Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2004 5:25 pm
Thank you Tras! Exactly what I've been itching to say for 2 weeks gone now! Actions have spoken louder than words for these two. I just don't see what those words could add that would be of benefit.
Personally I do think Frodo whispered something to Sam there, because you can see Sam's focus shift a little and he seems more at peace when he steps back. But whatever it was we never hear it because it is between Sam and Frodo. I think, though, that it would be something along the line of "you were a Ring-bearer too...perhaps one day..." like in the book. I think this was a little nod from PJ to the book-readers.
Honey again!
Post 435
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2004 5:43 pm
I am completely indifferent to it. If it *is* there, I don't see why it matters, and if it isn't, well it's not needed, so either way it doesn't really make a difference.
Post 436
GreenleafLady
Date Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2004 8:54 pm
AMEN TO TRAZ AND HONEY! I wholeheartedly agree.
During my first viewing on opening day, there was this immature DORK behind me, who made this kissy noise during that moment in the movie. That one stupid little noise completely pulled me out of the story and made me want to throw something at this idiot. And that made me even more aggravated!
It really bugs me, all this gay-talk about Sam and Frodo. People just can't seem to leave it alone. Why must thay always talk like this??
edit: Great pics, Fishy!
Post 437
fishy071
Date Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2004 9:03 pm
Thanks Sunny! I didn’t go to the Gathering, but since people have been sharing pictures of Tolkien events, I decided to do it, too.
Tanwen, if they do show all 3 movies, I don’t plan on going, because I can’t sit still, and I get headaches from too much screen.
What time is the GG, Fraoda_baggins?
HONEYELF, I read your story in the Reading Room. I like it.
Traz, I read some of your poems in the Reading Room as well. I haven’t gotten through all of them, but I like them.
I’ve always seen Frodo and Sam as best-friends (and Sam being a faithful servant), and never gay. I get fed up with people saying that Tolkien characters are gay when they are actually good friends. I never hear what they are whispering, but I don’t care. I just think it has to do with saying goodbye.
Post 438
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2004 9:45 pm
I want to say the Globes start at 5 pm PST, but you should check your local listings. One of the networks should be carrying it.
Post 439
fishy071
Date Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2004 10:10 pm
Thanks Froda_baggins! At least there will be something to watch on Sunday.
Thanks Greenleaflady! Sorry you had to put up with that at the theater. My last viewing, I had a disruptive audience as well.
Post 440
Lidau
Date Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 7:12 am
It doest make any difference to me whether those words are there or not. As all of you have pointed out, their actions speak for themselves. As for the general discussion of characters being gay: I don´t care. If those who want to see that see it, it doesn´t bother me, as long as no-one forces me to see it that way. Luckily I am the only fan among my friends, so there are no discussion which could upset me.
5 pm PST...does anyone know what that is in Midddle European time? 8 pm Saturday evening or something? (I don´t believe I will be able to see anything, but you never know...
Honey and apple brew sounds perfect to begin the weekend with. Cheers!
Post 441
Sunshine_10
Date Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 11:22 am
I must say this. I was just watching this Hour has 22 minutesis a spoof of what is going on around the world. It's on CBC but they had Sauron and Gollum on there twisting all the words that the I think was the Governor General. It was so funny. Sorry I just thought I'd let you all know that
About the "I love you thing" Would Frodo have loved him anyway, I mean he went with him to Mordor and stuck by his side through everything. People say they love eachother who are friends..so there isn't anything wrong with saying it to your best friend...methinks.
*sunny*
Post 442
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 12:23 pm
so there isn't anything wrong with saying it to your best friend...methinks.
Certainly. I love all of you Kitchen Ladies!
Post 443
HONEYELF
Date Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 5:10 pm
Regarding the whole "I love you" issue:
It just isn't very Book!Frodo and Book!Sam to me. They never addressed it in the book, but by the end did you have any doubt that they loved each other dearly? Not me! I doubt they did either. Did you not know they loved each other at the end of the movie? I sure knew it! Saying it out loud somehow just cheapens it, puts the "Hallmark" stamp on the back of the card if you know what I mean.
Also, it seems to me that Frodo showed Sam how much he loved him in in very different ways than Sam showed Frodo that he loved him. Which makes sense because Frodo was the master in a master/servant relationship. Sam gives him comfort, food and water even when it means he has to deny himself those things. Frodo gives Sam his life in the Shire to live in his stead, in his home. So to have Frodo saying "I love you," seems redundant, and out of character is all I'm saying.
How could they not love each other after depending on each other for so long for their very survival?
For that matter, you can say that the other characters display an amazing amount of love for each other. Is there any one of the nine members of the fellowship whom you do not believe would lay down their life for another? "Greater love has no man..." We only see this deep relationship between Frodo and Sam more because their story is the center of the book.
'Course if you believe John Ronald's little conceit that this was an actual hobbit document, and that Frodo and Sam actually exisxted, well then at some point Sam must have told Frodo that he loved him, or Frodo could never have written that little bit in "Of Herbs and Stewed Rabbits," But Mr. Baggins chose to leave that particular little conversation out of the book, as it was only for himself and Sam.
And,no, I have no problem whatsoever with friends telling friends of either gender that they love them.
As for "slashing" Frodo and Sam, I don't get it. Seems to me it denies many forms of human love to insist that they were in a sexual relationship. It's like saying "Eggs and Bacon is breakfast, and breakfast is a meal, therefore all meals must be eggs and bacon!" With apologies to Atkins diet people, I just ain't buyin' that particular bag of groceries. (I think I beat that metaphor into an omelet!)
Whew! I'll have some of that cider stuff too! If you all aren't ready to have Merry and Pip throw me out on my pointed ears, that is?
Honey!
Post 444
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 5:27 pm
Well Honey, I don't think we're going to throw you out...yet.
Personally, I read and write slash, but I don't consider it canon, and I definitely don't think Frodo and Sam were "gay". I find the slash aspect a way to explore that relationship in a different light. Like other AUs, it's a "what if?" And how would being in a sexual relationship change things?
That's how I look at it. *Shrug*
Post 445
HONEYELF
Date Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 5:31 pm
Froda, that's OK. It doesn't add anything for me, and kinda diminishes it, but if that suits you, OK. I like an occasional salad, myself!
Buy ya a pint?
Honey!
Post 446
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 5:47 pm
Buy ya a pint?
Sounds good!
Just then a couple of familiar faces wander in. "Did someone say 'pint'?" Merry asks, smiling, followed closely by Pippin. "Mind if we join you?"
Post 447
Tanwen_Luthien
Date Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 5:54 pm
Woohoo!
Merry and Pip!
Tanwen eyes the two hobbits from under her brows
On the whole Sam and Frodo love thing, I don't think Sam was gay, but he comes accross as it. Sam was just a sweety in the book.
Guess what!
I got Dr Martens yestarday!
$200, that's the most I've ever spent on anything!
I'm going to wear them to school and see what the teachers say!
Post 448
JewelSong
Date Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 6:15 pm
On the whole Sam and Frodo love thing, I don't think Sam was gay, but he comes accross as it.
That is a very interesting perspective, Tanwen. Why do you think Sam "comes across as gay?" And if you do think that's how he comes across, why don't you think he WAS gay?
To me, Sam, comes across as a devoted servant and someone who very much looked up to Frodo and held him in high esteem. In the book, there is a passage about how Sam thought Frodo was one of the wisest hobbits he had ever known and the kindest. The latter was why Sam felt that Frodo needed protection from such as Gollum, as Sam was afraid that Frodo's kindness would impede his judgement about the Stinker Gollum was.
In some ways, Sam's devotion to Frodo could be looked at as a kind of "hero-worship." Even at the very end, Sam still called Frodo "Mr. Frodo" and "Master."
I really don't see anything that could be construed as "gay-acting" - and I know quite a few gay people, male and female. Expressing affection does not = gay.
Post 449
Tanwen_Luthien
Date Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 6:21 pm
What I mean is, in this day and age, such close friendships among men would be considered gay. I mean, holding Frodo, following him to Mordor, taking care of him like a child, these things do not occur to people in everyday life, so they cannot relate to it!
If two guys hug (at the school I go to) they are considered gay.
It is wrong I know, but I cannot change the opinion of many.
I know that not all gays are the Stereotype "Feminine" characters, but that is the way society sees them, and would judge people like Sam.
Post 450
Trasmerg38
Date Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 6:41 pm
What I mean is, in this day and age, such close friendships among men would be considered gay.
I agree Tanwen, in this day and age. But when Tolkien wrote this, things were very different. I believe he got most of his ideas from when he fought in the WW. Men became very close in very hellish conditions, and I'm sure there was a lot of love between men who fought beside each other, watching people die all around. It's a shame that two people of the same sex can't show affection these days without someone claiming they're gay. If they are, that's their business, but not everyone is, and I don't think it's right to assume things like that.
As for saying "I love you", there is nothing wrong with that. I just get the feeling when some people point this out that they are thinking "I knew they were gay!" But I could be wrong.
Fishy, thanks for reading my poetry, glad you like it!
Merry! Pippin!! Glad to see you two!! I hope there will be dancing tonight!??
edit to share with you a story not far from my home town. A story of a baby owl named Frodo
Post 451
Trasmerg38
Date Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 7:36 pm
May I interupt our train of thought for a moment in honor of a man I have loved since I was a child....Captain Kangaroo. Bob Keeshan passed away today, and I must say he was loved by this old hobbit fan before there was such a thing as hobbits (in her mind anyways)
Post 452
JewelSong
Date Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 8:31 pm
Tras, I join you in raising a pint to Captain Kangaroo! That show was one of the very first shows I ever watched on TV - on our old black-and-white console television.
I can still hear the theme song - it started with jingling keys,if I recall. I remember the stories read aloud with the close-ups of the pictures in the book - Mike Mulligan and His Steam Shovel and Millions of Cats. And I remember Mr. Green Jeans (I never understood that was supposed to be a joke!) and "Abacadabra, please and thank you" as the "magic words."
A gentle soul...rest in peace, Bob Keeshan.
Post 453
HONEYELF
Date Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 9:51 pm
I just want to apologize profusley for dragging the conversation into the gutter. It was NOT my intention. I just wanted to know WHY it was so important for some people to think they heard what they think they heard. I figured we are all an intelligent bunch here, and I could safely ask here without rocking the boat too much. On the other board I hang on I said basically what I said in my first post on the subject, and everyone responded by talking about how sound tracks are added, and proceeded to gush on about what they thought they heard. I didn't want to press the point. Will not bring it up again. Consider the topic stone cold dead and kicked under the table. **KICK**
Again I apologize most humbly.
me
Post 454
fishy071
Date Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 10:56 pm
It sounds funny, Sunny.
Froda_baggins, what do you mean by AU?
I know what you mean, Tanwen and Traz. Society has become corrupt, and many people have sick minds. They are sexually obsessed and want to connect everything to sexual things.
I always saw Frodo and Sam as best-friends, like brothers, with Sam as the faithful servant. They cared so much for each other. I also think people who say the Tolkien characters are gay have no common sense. The book was written in the 50s. Authors of that time wouldn’t write about such topics.
We’re not throwing you out, HONEYELF. Don’t worry about dragging out the topic.
To tell the truth, there were quite a few areas throughout the LOTR movies where characters were tlaking, but viewers don't hear what they're saying. There's nothing wrong with that.
I didn’t really watch Captain Kangaroo, but I’ve seen bits of it. I join in praising him.
Post 455
WendyLadyofLothlorien
Date Posted:
Well, Hello, ladies...
Mine's a pint ...
Fishy,
what do you mean by AU?
I know you asked Froda this, but it's an easy one to answer, for all of us Fanfiction-slaves ...AU stands for Alternative Universe, and describes a Fanfiction story where the whole premise is changed, ie Sam and Frodo are gay, or Frodo dies at the end of LOTR, or Frodo has sex, sorry, a relationship with any or, indeed, all of the Fellowship at once !!!, or any number of other scenarios...anything you can think of really, that goes against the basic storyline of the book...
There are many other abbreviations involved in the Fanfiction world, not all of them nice !!! The most bizarre and also, the most baffling, imo, being MPreg. You really don't want to know what THAT means !!! ( although you could probably guess )
Honey,
I just want to apologize profuseley for dragging the conversation into the gutter. It was NOT my intention. I just wanted to know WHY it was so important for some people to think they heard what they think they heard. I figured we are all an intelligent bunch here, and I could safely ask here without rocking the boat too much. On the other board I hang on I said basically what I said in my first post on the subject, and everyone responded by talking about how sound tracks are added, and proceeded to gush on about what they thought they heard. I didn't want to press the point. Will not bring it up again. Consider the topic stone cold dead and kicked under the table. **KICK**
Aren't you funny !!! Of course you don't ever have to apologise for dragging us all down with you - sorry - starting a chat on ANY topic ...
Actually you should be proud - it's the first good conversion we've had in here in weeks...
I post on that other board too, and I agree wholeheartedly with you, that this line is VERY unlikely to be there...PJ simply wouldn't have allowed any extra-curricular lines to be added to the dialogue, without them either being clear enough to be heard, if he wanted to keep them in, or deleting them if he wanted them out...if you see what I mean ...I really think that people will hear what they want to hear sometimes..as soon as someone suggests that there's a hint of a possibility that there's a line of this nature in there, then everyone goes mad with delight and claims they can hear it too...people are like that !!! Odd...
As for Sam and Frodo, here's what Jewel said, and I think this really sums up their relationship best of all :-
To me, Sam, comes across as a devoted servant and someone who very much looked up to Frodo and held him in high esteem. In the book, there is a passage about how Sam thought Frodo was one of the wisest hobbits he had ever known and the kindest. The latter was why Sam felt that Frodo needed protection from such as Gollum, as Sam was afraid that Frodo's kindness would impede his judgement about the Stinker Gollum was.
In some ways, Sam's devotion to Frodo could be looked at as a kind of "hero-worship." Even at the very end, Sam still called Frodo "Mr. Frodo" and "Master."
Absolutely nails it ,imho...
Well, I'm off to see ROTK for my second viewing, ( yes, only my second !!! )this afternoon, and I shall be listening very carefully in the Grey Havens scene, just in case ...We're going to Leicester Square, the best cinema in the country, and so if I don't hear it there, then I promise you, it doesn't exist...
See you at K.D.
Post 456
fishy071
Date Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 1:05 am
Thanks for the explanation, Wendy! Afternoon? It's still night here... well, very early morning. It's 1 A.M. Well, my time zone is the same as TORC time.
Post 457
Tanwen_Luthien
Date Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 12:40 pm
It's about 7:30 here now, and the sun is still coming over the hill.
Will everyone leave me?
Post 458
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 5:12 pm
The most bizarre and also, the most baffling, imo, being MPreg.
Oh dear, Wendy, let's not go there, OK?
Post 459
fishy071
Date Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 6:07 pm
I'm afraid I can't figure out what that means, but I don't think I want to know or get into that discussion.
Post 460
Tanwen_Luthien
Date Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 8:25 pm
Isn't it horrible when you don't know what something means, but you don't want to know, and then your mind runs away with you?
Or am I the only strange little creature here...?
So AAAANNNYYYWWAAAAAYYYY!!!!!!!!
New topic:
Aliens.
(well I just don't want to let this get out of control, or at least gross)
Post 461
WendyLadyofLothlorien
Date Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 8:32 pm
Fishy, Tanwen,
MPreg means exactly what it sounds as if might mean...outlandish and against all laws of nature though that might be...
And that's all I'm going to say on the subject, you'll be pleased to know !!!
Post 462
GreenleafLady
Date Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 9:13 pm
Oh dear... I asked Froda what it meant. And yes, I was sorry I asked. Ignorance is bliss people, it really is.
Post 463
fishy071
Date Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 10:14 pm
Sometimes, ignorance is bliss. There are things in the world we're better off not knowing. For example, there are some environmental things we'd rather not know about.
Post 464
Trasmerg38
Date Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 10:20 pm
Honey, you didn't drag anything down! I just caught what you said at just the right moment!! Let me buy you a pint!
Hey all, I'd love to share a sweet story from a small city not far from me. It's about a baby owl named Frodo. Enjoy!
edit to say i've never read an MPREG story, and I hope I don't come across one!!! LOL
Post 465
fishy071
Date Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 10:37 pm
Thanks for sharing the story, Traz. We have many peopel naming pets after Tolkien characters. I had suggestions of naming my 3rd (and present) set of hamsters after HP and Tolkien characters, but I just don't feel comfortable with that. That's why my hamsters are Sugar, Spice, and Sucrose.
If I don't know what MPreg is, then I don't think I've ever read one. I don't think I want to.
Post 466
WendyLadyofLothlorien
Date Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 11:39 pm
Fishy,
"There are things in the world we're better off not knowing. For example, there are some environmental things we'd rather not know about."
Are you SERIOUS ???...Not knowing about MPreg is one thing, ( it IS only Fanfiction, after all ! ) but closing your eyes and turning away from important environmental issues is probably the reason why our dear Planet is in such a Godawful mess...it's attitudes like that that allow such wanton destruction to take place...in cases of environmental vandalism, usually perpetrated by corporate business concerns, ignorance is most definitely NOT bliss !! ( Please say you posted that in haste...)
Anyway...
Post 467
fishy071
Date Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2004 12:44 am
I was talking about things found in food that could cause food-borne illness, or about some of the tiniest pollutions in the environment that we can't control. We can try to reduce pollution, but there are some harmful gases that exist.
Post 468
JewelSong
Date Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2004 4:07 am
Jewel pauses for only a moment to wonder what in Eru's name dust-mites have to do with hobbits and the Shire. Then she continues on to a much more important topic...
ROTK won four Golden Globes! YAY!!!!!
(And Elijah looked very yummy in his dark green velvet suit, yes he did indeed. So...utterly and completely delectable. )
Congratulations to Peter and the cast! On to the Oscars!!!!!
Post 469
WendyLadyofLothlorien
Date Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2004 4:09 am
Fishy,
Well, I for one, would certainly like to know about pollutants in food....this is one of the most important areas if you don't actually want to get sick ...( maybe this is why you're constantly getting stomach problems...oh no, I forgot, it's people being rude to you that causes that...silly me !!! )
As for the minor pollutants that we can't do anything about, I must admit that I don't really know what you are referring to exactly...if they're that minor, they probably aren't worth worrying about, but if they cause real problems, there IS usually something we can do about them, even if it's just avoiding them, and to do that, you need to be aware of them...so again, I say,ignorance is NOT bliss...disagree with me if you like, but have a good argument to substantiate what you are saying, at least. Single line answers aren't very satisfying...
Anyway...a little more on topic :-
I went to see ROTK on Saturday night, with some TORCers from London, like me...we went to Leicester Square Odeon, our Premiere cinema, and quite the best screen in the country...expensive but worth it !! ( Faux-leopardskin seats, if you please !!! )
Of course, I noticed things I missed the first time around...
1) The absolutely fabulous quality of the filming and cinematography...this was equivalent, imo, to using a medium-format camera instead of a normal SLR, ( and the photographers among you will know exactly what I mean by that ..it's a little like comparing your average snapshot taken on holiday with the big beautiful pictures featured in National Geographic...no comparison )..that's what the film-quality suggested to me !!
2)When the Orc-army is marching on Minas Tirith, the fantastic rhythm of the drums and marching feet...quite unusual and hypnotic...listen next time you watch, and you'll hear what I mean...
3)Pippin's song...this whole scene was brilliant in its punctuation...and what I mean by that is:-
The sequence of Pippin starting to sing, intercut with Denethor slurping his food, biting into the tomato and the juice running down his chin...
A few more lines by Pippin, up to the last line all the way to the last but one word...
Then silence with the slow take-off of Faramirs' horses as they embark on their trip to certain death...
THEN Pippin's final word...
Just beautiful - evocative and emotional, this scene said everything about how merciless Denethor was, in his madness, and how hopeless their cause was beginning to look.
One of my favourite scenes, methinks...
4)In Ithilien, I couldn't help noticing the similarity between the look on Frodo's face when he wakes up in his hospital bed, and sees Gandalf, ( probably the LAST peson he was expecting to see )and the look on his face when he sees Gandalf approaching down the road in his cart at the start of FOTR..these two scenes felt like they mirrored each other, it seemed to me....
5)On the road to Mt. Doom, when the eye of Sauron turns towards Frodo, and he does that fantastic turning, swooning, and falling down in slow-motion thing...he's just SO good at it ...
These are all the things I noticed anew for my second showing...and they'll very likely be some of my favourite scenes from now on...so the question is:-
What did you notice for the first time, the last time you saw the film ?? -( because I know all of you are on many more showings then me right now ) I'd be interested to know. because these films are so densely layered with details, that I'm still noticing new things with FOTR !!!
Post 470
fishy071
Date Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2004 4:41 am
People have said that there are some things, such as food contamination, they'd rather not know about because it would make them afraid to eat the food. As we know life is a risk, and on some things, some people just don't want to know the dangers. People who want to know can go ahead and find out. I'm not saying anyone is wrong. I just list my point-of-view, and other people will have different ones. I do not like debates or trying to change people's minds. I stay out of debates unless it's for something really important (like if we are the ones deciding certain laws to be changed).
I saw the Golden Globes, and I was glad ROTK won all those awards.
Post 471
ConnieMarie
Date Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2004 5:44 am
I just had to stop by for a pint and to say:
FOUR GOLDEN GLOBES! HURRAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't even usually watch the Golden Globes, and even as I turned it on last night I was telling myself I could care less. I developed the worst headache during the proceedings, though, and realized I really DID care. I just wanted PJ to be rewarded, dammit!!!!!
They hadn't nominated any LOTR actors for anything, and they barely bothered to show any of them in the crowd, so I was figuring: "Ah, it'll be the Big Snub, then."
I was ECSTATIC when Howard Shore won for score, as his music has given me pleasure and tears daily for nearly 2 solid years now. I was AMAZED AND HAPPY when "Into the West" got best song, and it was so cool to finally see Fran Walsh come up there with Howard to accept the award.
I still didn't think PJ or ROTK had a chance. When they won, I wept. I couldn't help it. Tears just started pouring down. When they showed Dom out there in the crowd as Peter went up for Best Director, and he was crying, I cried harder. Then they won the Big One and I was just stunned and so very, very pleased. PJ and Fran and Phillipa and Howard and Elijah and Dom and John Rhys-Davies and Cate Blanchett (who was up for Best Actress for another film) and I don't know who all else went up when they won Best Picture, and it was just amazing.
I raise a pint to the stupendous individuals who have given us LOTR on film. I love them forever for it! And I am so pleased to see them get a tiny portion of the recognition they deserve.
(I hope they get Best Cast at the upcoming Screen Actors Guilt awards --the one where only Guild members can vote. I think they'd be happier winning an acting award as a group, anyway, and such a thing does not exist at the Oscars.)
Post 472
JewelSong
Date Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2004 6:00 am
CONNIE! So nice to see you in here! We all have decided that a party is in order - both due to the cold weather and to celebrate the ROTK Golden Globe wins! (Elijah in forest green velvet...SWOOOOOOOOOON!)
Everyone is invited! We need some decorations and some food (and of course, some drinks!) And this is to be a light-hearted and fun party. No depressing thoughts or talk will be allowed - and certainly nothing about pollution, politics or personal problems!
We need this, yes we do!!! Someone go get Merry and Pippin - they're always ready for a good time. Hopefully Sam and Rosie will show up and maybe they can convince Frodo to join us a bit later - if they can tear him away from the copy of "The Once and Future King" that I lent him.
Going to restring and tune up my good guitar!
Post 473
ConnieMarie
Date Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2004 7:07 am
Oh, yes, Jewel! A celebration is clearly in order! And look! Pippin and Merry are coming through the door now, both of them beaming. They must've heard the news...or at least heard that there is a party. As for Frodo...well, I'll talk Arthurian Legend with him all night long, if he likes! I wonder if he'd like the Mary Stewart books? (I'd feel rather awkward discussing the ending with him, though. Tolkien called Frodo's ending 'Arthurian' for a reason, you know.)
And music? Oh, let's sing the funny, happy ones! (Guess that means we won't be singing any of my songs at this party. *grin*)
Anybody have any requests for ANY songs of ANY kind? Let's keep 'em on the happy side, at least at first.
Personally, I want to get up on a table and dance with Merry and Pip and sing that song they were singing in ROTK.
"But the only brew for the Brave and True
Comes from the Green Dragon!"
Post 474
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2004 7:36 am
A party! What a wonderful idea, especially since today is a snow day for me!
And congrats to PJ and Co for raking them in at the Globes last night!
Well Connie, it certainly has been a while lol! Glad to see you in here again!
Drinks all around!
You can keep your fancy ales!
You can drink 'em by the flagon!
But the only brew for the brave and true...
Comes from the Green Dragon!
Post 475
WendyLadyofLothlorien
Date Posted: Mon Jan 26,
Connie,
How wonderful to see you in here again at last...
"(I hope they get Best Cast at the upcoming Screen Actors Guilt awards --the one where only Guild members can vote. I think they'd be happier winning an acting award as a group, anyway, and such a thing does not exist at the Oscars.) "
Yes, it's bad that there isn't a category for this at the Oscars, but maybe there will be one instigated this year,...I know there has been talk of it, seeing as the G.G.s have this category, and the BAFTAs ? I don't know...
These awards are going to be screened over here in a two-hour special hosted by our favourite film-guru, Barry Norman, on the Living Channel tonight, at 10pm, so I will be taping it to watch tomorrow...
I've already seen photos of Our Lij on the red carpet, so I think I will re-instate my Link-of-the-Week, especially for this...
Golden Globes Pics
And so, on with our Party...
This is a Party to celebrate the marvellous victories at the Golden Globe Awards last night, and also, incidentally, to celebrate our Favourite Hobbit's 23rd birthday this week ( you all know of whom I speak !!! )
Wendy throws open the door to the Pub, and staggers in, loaded down with various grocery bags and interesting looking packages, with streamers spilling out of the top...
Dumping her burden on the bar, she calls out to Rosie, who is in the back somewhere...
"Hey, Rosie, hellooo...
How about a pint of your best Somerset cider for a very thirsty friend ??"
Rosie emerges from the steps leading down to the cellar, wiping her hands on her apron.
"Well, bless my soul, if it isn't Wendy, and Connie...and Jewel too !!!...it's going to be pints all round then ?!!!"
"Oh yes, I should say so, Rosie...we've come to decorate the Pub for a special party, because Frodo and Sam's little tale won some very big awards, you know...any chance of them popping by tonight, d'you think ?"
Rosie thought hard, and became very serious,
"Well, it's funny you should mention Frodo, because I reckon he's been unwell recently...just a bit depressed, if you know what I mean..."
Her voice trailed off with a catch in her breath, as if she was stifling a half acknowledged sob...
"What on Earth can you mean, Rosie ?"
Wendy sits up on a bar-stool, and leans over to catch one of Rosie's hands in deep concern.
"Well, my Sam knows him better'n anyone, if you catch my meaning, and he says he's never known Frodo to stay in his study all night ever, but this week, he's been closeted away for about three days solid...Sam's that worried about him..."
"Oh, I'm sure he's just working on something...probably that big red book he's writing, I expect...he's just got to the good bit !!"
( "...or the difficult bit !" Wendy privately added under her breath. )
Just then, there was a noisy commotion at the door, and two tousle-haired Hobbits tumbled in with their arms around one another's waists, laughing their heads off at some private joke...
"Well. there's a couple of friends who are definitely very well indeed...no worrying about you two then ?"
Wendy laughed at their antics, and took a sip of her much-needed pint...
"Can we expect you two at our little shindig tonight then ?...silly question - of course we can...as if you need any excuse to party with the best of 'em ...we will expect you two to dress up in your smart uniforms though...this is a dressy affair, an award celebration you know !!"
Pippin looked at Merry, and Merry looked at Pippin, and then they both looked at Wendy...
" Awards ? What for ?"
"Frodo, and Sam's story has won four Golden Globe Awards last tonight for being the best story of the year...we're having a party to celebrate and you've all been invited as honorary guests, so the dressy-up bit, if you please !!!"
Wendy laughed as she jokingly scolded them, and then grew serious for a minute...
"Merry, Pippin, you haven't seen Our Frodo recently have you ?...did he seem bit, well, out of sorts at all ?? Rosie says that Sam's very worried about him, but she doesn't know why, and I thought you'd be able to shed some light on the subject "
" Now you come to mention it, he's always serious these days, as if he's still burdened, if you know what I mean...don't you think so, Pip ?"
"Oh, he's just lonely is all...no-one's been to see him in days, and these good ladies haven't been over to see him either...Wendy, you haven't been round to Bag-end for a while, nor you Connie...I think he's just pining, that's my opinion...Rosie, I think I'll have a pint of that cider too!"
Pippin got out his pipe and filled it nonchalently...
Wendy got off her stool and started to unpack all her bags of decorations for the Pub,
"Well, Merry...Would you mind very much going down to Bag-end now, and getting him to come to the Pub tonight...tell him that Wendy's here, and Jewel, and Connie, and there'll be plenty of others who are just dying to see him tonight to celebrate with him, I reckon...would you do that for me ?"
Merry looked into Wendy's eyes and whispered
"I'd do anything for you, you know that, Miss Wendy !!! If you want Mr Frodo, then you shall have Mr Frodo...ooooh, maybe I'd better rephrase that, hadn't I ?"
"No no, Merry, your phrasing's just perfect as it is..."
Wendy giggled helplessly
As Merry left the Pub to go and summon up Mr Frodo, Wendy started pulling streamers out of the first bag on the counter...
"Now everyone...do help me with these decorations...they won't get hung by themselves you know !!!"
Post 476
ConnieMarie
Date Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2004 11:09 am
ConnieMarie puts down the guitar she's been tuning and helps Wendy hang streamers.
"Darn, those are gorgeous pics you put up, Wendy," she says. "Thank you so much! Now...you got any WIDE shots of the whole group? For some reason there were just a LOT of these that were only of Elijah Wood in his drop dead gorgeous dark green suit." *snicker*
Oh, it's so good to be back in the Dragon! Even if I am getting a bit of a scolding for my prolonged absence. *has good grace to look chagrined*
Post 477
WendyLadyofLothlorien
Date Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2004 11:54 am
Connie,
""Darn, those are gorgeous pics you put up, Wendy," she says. "Thank you so much! Now...you got any WIDE shots of the whole group? For some reason there were just a LOT of these that were only of Elijah Wood in his drop dead gorgeous dark green suit." *snicker*
Can't think what you mean, Connie ...
However, always happy to oblige...
Just for our Connie, another Link-of-the-Week or two :-
Golden Globes pics 1
Golden Globes 2
Wendy finishes hanging the streamers, and finishes her pint almost at the same time, just as there is a commotion at the door...
Merry pushes a dark-haired figure through the door of the Pub, and Frodo stumbles into the bar...
Wendy catches him just in time before he trips over a chair just inside the door...
"Whoa, careful you !!!..."
She doesn't let go, instead just hugging him in both arms...
"Oh, Frodo, it's SOOO good to see you at last...it's been ages, it seems..."
Frodo regains his balance, and returns Wendy's hug with some enthusiasm, audibly catching his breath with a jolt...
"Wendy...How good to see you at long last...and Miss Jewel, and Miss Connie...how long is it since you last dropped by ?"
"Well, I know...but this time it's just imperative that we celebrate the awards that your story has won today...it's such good news that we thought that you'd really appreciate the fun, and join us in our Party..will you ?"
Frodo holds Wendy at arms length to have a good look at her after such a long absence, then turns towards Connie and Jewel, who are waiting patiently to greet him at the bar...
"Connie, Jewel...it's so good to see you at last, and Jewel, I'm so looking forward to reading "The Once and Future King " with you...I hear it's the most wonderful story...maybe we could share a chapter or two tonight, before the party begins...I'm so looking forward to this party, I can't tell you...it's been SOOO long since I did anything that was fun !!"
Frodo looks slightly wistful, but cheers up enormously when Merry brings him his pint of ale - Rosie's best - with some bread and cheese to accompany it.
"Frodo tells me that he hasn't eaten much lately, so I thought that some good sustenance was in order here "
"Why, thank-you Merry, that's so kind, but I'm not sure that i'll be able to eat all this..."
Frodo trails off, and looks slightly anxious..
"Never mind, Frodo, if you can't eat all of it, then I'm sure that we can finish it for you...just eat what you want to...yes ?"
Wendy smiles encouragingly, and takes a drink of her cider...
Post 478
JewelSong
Date Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2004 12:27 pm
Well, I'm definitely in the mood for some stories and songs tonight! But, like Frodo, I tend to become shy in large crowds - unless I am sitting with my guitar or behind the piano.
Jewel heads over the the corner where the piano stands and places her guitar against the wall. Frodo is already there - sitting at a corner table with his mug of ale in one hand and a half-finished plate of something or other. He looks content, if a little melancholy...but he gives Jewel a smile as she slides onto the piano bench.
"Well, Frodo," Jewel begins. "How about a tune?"
"That would be lovely," he says, his smile widening a bit. "Something pretty and poignant, maybe?"
"Yes, do something poignant!" comes a voice from across the room. "Jewel loves poignant!" Connie's voice!
Jewel plays a chord or two and then begins this old chestnut. Frodo joins in as he learns the chorus...
Tell me the tales that to me were so dear,
Long, long ago,
Long, long ago;
Sing me the songs I delighted to hear,
Long, long ago,
Long ago.
Now you are come, all my grief is removed,
Let me forget that so long you have roved,
Let me believe that you love as you loved,
Long, long ago,
Long ago.
Do you remember the path where we met,
Long, long ago,
Long, long ago?
That's when you told me you would not forget,
Long, long ago,
Long ago.
Then, to all others my smile you preferred,
Love, when you spoke, gave a charm to each word,
Still my heart treasures the praises I heard,
Long, long ago,
Long ago.
Though by your kindness my fond hopes were raised,
Long, long ago,
Long, long ago;
You by more eloquent lips have been praised,
Long, long ago,
Long ago.
But by long absence your truth has been tried,
Still to your accents I listen with pride,
Blessed as I was when I sat by your side,
Long, long ago,
Long ago.
Frodo and Jewel look at each other, a bit misty eyed as others gather 'round the piano. Jewel looks up, a little embarassed.
"Requests, anyone?"
Post 479
ConnieMarie
Date Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2004 1:02 pm
{Froda, Jewel and I are snowed in, too! Which explains our ability to have some fun posting on a Monday! *grin*
Wendy, thanks for the pics. *wink*}
"Could we do something a bit lighthearted?" Connie asks Jewel --after all, requests were solicited, and she knows from experience that Jewel can pound out ANYTHING on that virtual piano, and even REAL ones! "If you guys are reading 'Once and Future King', maybe we could sing some of the funnier Camelot songs. You know... 'The Simple Joys of Maidenhood' or 'C'est Moi' or 'Fie on Goodness'! Heck, I'm up for ANY musical number anybody wants to propose! You name it: Miss Saigon, Scarlet Piimpernel, Annie, Oklahoma, Music Man, Ragtime, Phantom, South Pacific, Les Miz, Chess, Man of La Mancha, 1776...you name it!
Connie tips back her ale, polishes it off, and bounces up to the piano grabbing Merry and Pippin on the way.
Post 480
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2004 1:20 pm
I love snowdays!
Hey, Connie mentioned the Scarlet Pimpernel! Why don't we sing "Vivez"? I love that song!
Post 481
ConnieMarie
Date Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2004 1:36 pm
Connie grins at Froda. "I love snow days, too!"
"Hey, you got the words to 'Vivez'? I remember that number vividly --saw the play 4 times!-- but I only have the wretched ENCORE CD which is not half as good as the regular ol' CD and does NOT include that song! Drat. Well, you just start it, and I'll fake it! And then can we sing something angsty, just one, like 'Madame Guillotine' or 'Falcon in the Dive'? I love those!"
Connie whispers to Froda that she once had a pretty severe "Pimpernel" obession.
Post 482
JewelSong
Date Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2004 1:48 pm
Connie, make up your mind! Light-hearted or angsty?
While you're thinking, I will switch from poignant to...um...well... to celebration! Of what? Of our fine group here and of the Shire's excellent ale! Raise your glasses, everyone! This is from "The Student Prince!"
Drink! Drink! Drink!
To eyes that are bright as stars when they're shining on me!
Drink! Drink! Drink!
To lips that are red and sweet as the fruit on the tree!
Here's to a hope that those bright eyes will shine
Lovingly, longingly soon into mine!
May those lips that are red and sweet,
Tonight with joy my own lips meet!
Drink! Drink!
Let the toast start!
May young hearts never part!
Drink! Drink! Drink!
Let every true lover salute his sweetheart!
Drink! Drink! Drink!
To arms that are white and warm as a rose in the sun!
Drink! Drink! Drink!
To hearts that will love one, only when I am the one!
Here's a hope that those soft arms will twine
Tenderly, trustingly soon around mine!
All I ask is the right to see the smiling eyes beguiling me
Drink! Drink!
Let the toast start!
May young hearts never part!
Drink! Drink! Drink!
Let every true lover salute his sweetheart!
Let's drink!
Post 483
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2004 1:49 pm
Froda laughs. "Connie, you aren't the only one! I adore Frank Wildhorn's music! I love 'Falcon in the Dive', though 'Where's the Girl?' is quite good too!"
Froda clears her throat.
"Vivez, mes amis, je suis enchante!
Simply to move through the sunlight,
Open your eyes to this one bright
Moment embracing us.
"Vivez! You have one life, let it be gay!"
"Shouldn't one do as one's told to?"
"No, let the moment enfold you,
Grab up your one golden chance!
Darlings life is such romance!
Give this world a sweeping glance!
Let it set your soul a-dancing,
Night and day!"
Post 484
samaranth
Date Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2004 3:38 pm
Jewel: ROTK won four Golden Globes! YAY!!!!!
Me: I’ll drink to that!
Connie:I raise a pint to the stupendous individuals who have given us LOTR on film. I love them forever for it! And I am so pleased to see them get a tiny portion of the recognition they deserve
Me: I’ll drink to that!
Jewel: While you're thinking, I will switch from poignant to...um...well... to celebration! Of what? Of our fine group here and of the Shire's excellent ale!
Me: I’ll drink to that!
And having had 3 drinks in close succession I’ll now lurch my way over into the corner, and hum along to all the stirring songs!
Post 485
Sunshine_10
Date Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2004 4:16 pm
Oh I wish to join the "merry" ment! *grabs pint and asks anyone who wants to do the elbow dance in celebration!* alright!
I believe we are talking about the Golden Globes correct? I was so happy the whole time and at the end it made it all better! My folks even sat through the whole thing just to watch it with me, and I am sure I heard my mother let out a sigh when Elijah came on
!PINTS ARE ON ME!
Sorry so who wants to dance in celebration!?
*Sunny*
Post 486
GreenleafLady
Date Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2004 7:29 pm
A party? Wonderful! And I could not think of a better occasion!
I had to get the awards second handedly (thanks to Froda and IM *hugs*) due to the fact that TV and I don't get along. (The cable company thinks I should pay for it. I don't.) But I rejoiced along with all the viewers anyway!
Hurray for Howard!
Hurray for PJ!
Hurray for ROTK!!!
Lovely decorations! Do you need any help still? By the way, would you care to introduce me to your friends here.
Post 487
fishy071
Date Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2004 8:51 pm
Welcome back ConnieMarie! WE won’t scold you for your absences. RL gets in the way. I have never watched the Golden Globes before. Last night was my first time, and I did for LOTR. I waited nervously, and was relieved to hear all those awards for LOTR.
JewelSong, for songs, we’ll sing hobbit songs. Those are the lighthearted ones.
Thanks for the link, Wendy!
I’m glad we don’t have snow days. They’re a big inconvenience.
Fishy071 is glad to see the Fellowship hobbits and Rose at the party.
“Congratulations!” she announces.
She then gets a cup of water and listens to the music as she interacts with the hobbits.
Post 488
Tanwen_Luthien
Date Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2004 9:26 pm
You're glad Fishy?
I'd love snow days.....
But all we get here are floods that stop me from going to school!
Heheh....
Post 489
Neana
CCDers Unite! Come to Candy Cane Dueling 2!
Date Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2004 9:32 pm
Tanwen, please come to CCD, I need someone to post with!
Post 490
Tanwen_Luthien
Date Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2004 9:48 pm
Okey Dokey!
Hey, anyone else here play neopets?
The website, not the toys.
Post 491
Damalur-sol
Date Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2004 10:36 pm
Wow, neopets, I used to play on that website a long time ago, I didn't even know it was still around.
We don't get snow days out here, I wish we could even get the snow once in a while.
It's good to have a party in January, people are usually so down this time of year.
*Grabs a pint and joins Sunny in the elbow-dance*
Post 492
Tanwen_Luthien
Date Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2004 10:51 pm
Elbow dance...????
Meh????
Ah well, I'll just grab a pint anyhoo!
Post 493
fishy071
Date Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2004 1:22 am
I've enver played Neopets.
I find snow an inconvenience. Snow day may let us miss school, but you have to make up those days anyways. I'd rather resume the regular school routin than make up those days in the summer.
Post 494
JewelSong
Date Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2004 3:00 am
Jewel breezes by with a pint in her hand and heads towards a table that seems to be laden with all sorts of good things to eat.
Tan and fishy and the rest of you! We are not here to discuss the inconvenience of snow days or, for that matter, Neopets! Sheeeeesh! This is a hobbit party and a hobbit-place. Lately it seems that every time we start to have a nice, light-hearted discussion about our boys and our movie, or even throw a decent party, the thread is hijacked and descends into talk and one-liners about personal subjects!
Please...start a thread in Talk for your own chatter.
Now, c'mon! There's hobbits to be danced with and ale to be drunk.
Oh, did you see this - from the Golden Globes wrapup on MSN's Entertainment News: Best Use of Green Velvet: Erstwhile hobbit Elijah Wood looked jaunty in a bell-bottomed green velvet suit.
That's our Elijah! Jaunty! Heh.
Post 495
WendyLadyofLothlorien
Date Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2004 3:00 am
Wendy sees Frodo in the corner ,temporarily by himself, as Jewel, Connie, Froda and Sam are all around the piano singing away merrily, and Merry and Pippin are both up on the middle table, dancing with arms linked and pints of ale swinging precariously from their other hands...
He watches the festivities over the rim of his pint tankard of ale, which, Wendy notices is being emptied at an alarming rate, as if he's been thirsty all his life...
"Now I wonder what's the matter with that boy ?" she thought, "He's just not himself...Rosie's right !"
Grabbing a pint of cider from the bar, she approaches Frodo with a concerned smile on her face...
"Well, now, Frodo, why aren't you partying with the rest of them here, I know that we haven't been here in ages, but, well, the conversation just hasn't been the same in here recently, what with you all closeted away in your study, writing your book..how is it coming along by the way ?"
Wendy plonked herself down opposite him, and taking his hands in hers, she looks him deep in the eyes...
"Come Frodo, you can't fool me you know...I know when things aren't right with you..."
"No, nothing escapes you, does it..." Frodo laughs nervously, and wriggling his hands free, he starts fiddling with the gem around his neck...
"Truth is, I'm up to the most difficult chapter in my book, and I really don't know how I'm going to get through writing it, and stay sane...it's really scaring me how real everything in my memory is becoming these days.."
Frodo stopped suddenly, after this outburst, and looked nervously at Wendy, who never flinched for a moment...
"Well, if you like, I could come over to Bag-end tomorrow, take a look at what you've written, you can tell me all about it, and maybe I could help with the actual writing down, if you like...how does that sound ?"
"Well, I really don't know about that...I mean, this is my tale to tell, and I must get through it somehow, but don't you have other things to do ?"
Frodo stumbles lamely on, with such a desperate look on his face that Wendy resolves there and then to help Frodo through this, whatever it takes...
"Sometimes, a problem shared is a problem halved, you know...how about if I come over tomorrow, and we can try it my way, and see how it suits you..."
Frodo nods and picks up his pint again,
"Very well then, we'll give it a go, thank-you...and now I think I'm just about ready for another drink and maybe a dance, how about you ?"
Frodo gets up and whirls Wendy to her feet, and they join the others at the piano for a good old sing-song...
Sam,
How lovely to see you in here...it's been ages and ages, hasn't it
Greenleaflady,
Sam, Connie, and Jewel are all regulars here at the pub, and have been since time immemorial...Jewel, you've already met, so say Hello to the others too...
Here, everybody, I took the liberty of bringing a celebration cake...double layers of chocolate cake with chocolate butter-icing through the middle, and chocolate frosting over the top...Yummm!!! No party is complete without cake, methinks !!!
Post 496
JewelSong
Date Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2004 4:27 am
Apparently the folks at E! were not the only ones who thought Elijah looked charming. This is from Hollywood.com: Elijah Wood was perhaps the best-turned out gent of the day in a distinctive green suit he said he found in a vintage shop.
He does like that vintage stuff, doesn't he? (He has been quoted as saying that The One Tan Jacket is "vintage."
Personally, I think Elijah could be dressed in a brown paper bag and nothing else and still look charming. Jewel wanders off with a glazed look in her eyes as she pictures Elijah wearing nothing but a brown paper bag...
Post 497
ConnieMarie
Date Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2004 5:16 am
It is so good to sing and dance at the Dragon! Wonderful songs, everyone.
I slipped out last night to see the One Movie again --so now I'm really tired, and must be talked out of sliding right back into angsty-song mode!
"In the sweet days of the Shire..."
No, no! Just KIDDING, Jewel! (That's my 25 verse LOTR song, the one that makes Jewel's guitar playin' fingers bleed, it's so long.)
For the newer folks here, let me just say that the Dragon has been around for longer than you might think! It was started by me on another thread which got SO HUGE they made us start a new one. That's why this one is called "Second Round"! We had a very Serious Book thread going, and the Dragon was our alternate place for more lighthearted talk of movies and actors and such. (In other words, talk about stuff that would've got us thrown right out of the "Book" forum.) Anyhow, that's a brief history of the Dragon. Now, help yourself to some of Wendy's cake!
Hey, I brought these delectable chocolate chip cookies --the best ones I ever made! (I just got a new oven, my first new appliance EVER, and it has a convection setting.) MAN, these are good. Help yourself! Pippin's already discovered that he likes them quite a lot, so you might want to hurry. And once he's done munching on those, let's see if he'll sing for us. He has such a lovely voice! (Or at least his alter ego, Billy, does!)
(Speaking of those two...I feel my dear Merry was cheated a bit in the film. I want my extended Version!)
Would you mind coming over here, Meriadoc, m'dear, and telling me all about when you swore fealty to Theoden? And what do you remember about the Houses of Healing, if you don't mind my bringing that up...?
Post 498
Rosie_the_hobbit
Date Posted: Tue
11 Oscar nominations! It's so good to see all the work they did getting recognized.
Rosie enters the Dragon carrying a large birthday cake and sets it down next to Connie's cookies. Connie is sitting engrossed in her conversation with Merry. Maybe that will give me just enough time to make punch for the party. I brought some juice, and I'm sure we can find something in Dragon to spice it up with.
You didn't think we would forget your birthday, did you? Not for our Kitchen Mother. And when you're done discussing Theoden and the houses of healing, I have a suspicion that same hobbit may be wanting a dance.
Happy Birthday Connie!!
Post 499
WendyLadyofLothlorien
Date Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2004 11:15 am
Rosie...
Well, hello again !!!
Welcome back to the pub...we haven't seen you in such a long time either...
Jewel,
"Personally, I think Elijah could be dressed in a brown paper bag and nothing else and still look charming"
Now THERE'S a vision to conjure with and no mistake ...ROFL !!! ( Bags I be the first to open the bag !! )
I, too liked the suit...on another thread where we discuss Elijah in great detail , we've come to the conclusion that he may have either got himself a stylist recently, or he's found a particular designer he likes..( the suit with the letters on and the suit with the trees on, in Japan, last week, both clearly by the same designer, methinks...what do reckon ? In addition to the vintage gear, of course !! Either way, he has a new-found confidence with his clothes, of which I approve whole-heartedly !!!
Connie,
A very happy Birthday to you and all..I had no idea it was your birthday as well as Elijah's this week...(That's because I'm fairly useless at remembering these things... )
So have some of Rosie's cake, please do !!!
Well, everyone...11 Oscar nominations..what do you all think of that ??? ...perhaps PJ will strike gold this time...
No nomination for cinematography though...there's a peculiar thing, don't you think ? And no acting noms, although that was half expected really...yes even Our Lij was only as good as the rest, I reckon...well, actually I think he DOES deserve one, but he probably wouldn't win on the grounds that he's just too young for the Acacdemy to reward him yet...( Silly Academy !! )
Several people have expressed the opinion that there should be an ensemble-cast acting category, but the only problem with that is that there has to be five films in each category, and, I don't know about you, but I can't think of any other film this year that would come under this slot, so ROTK would be running against itself !!!
Wendy whirls to a stop, with Frodo holding her steady as they get down off the table where they have dancing up a storm, along with Merry and Pippin, who seem to have a definite penchant for dancing on pub tables ...
"Wow, that WAS amazing...Frodo, I had no idea you could dance like that !!"
"Well, Wendy"... Frodo pauses to catch his breath, and leads her to the bar..." I use to dance a lot before...well, you know, and I have still got the knack, haven't I !!!"
"You certainly have, I'll say !!" Wendy grabs her pint of cider off the bar and goes to sit down with Connie next to the Birthday cake...
Post 500
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2004 2:47 pm
11 nominations! I have no doubts that this year will be the year of the Ring! Go PJ and Co!
Froda hops up on the table next to Merry and Pippin and begins a rousing rendition of "For He's a Jolly Good Fellow" for PJ!
Post 501
Marea
Date Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2004 5:13 pm
Okay... I forgot it was Connie's birthday, which is no excuse... because it is my DAUGHTER'S!
Christina (who has on occasion called herself by the elven name Meorimorwen and at other times has taken on the personnas of a Ringwraith and/or Pippin... weird kid!) turns 14 today! Yea!!!!
And so I had planned to bring in the leftovers of her (very large, very caloric) birthday cake.
And it is a Haldir cake. No kidding.. an anime style picture of that Lorien elf that makes her heart go pitty pat graces the top of the cake in a sugary form, along with discreetly placed yellow roses. Notice how we have eaten AROUND the elf so far... but I fear that his days are numbered. (Here... eat... eat... its a marble cake with real buttercream frosting!)
Frodo... slightly breathless from his dance with Wendy and with half filled pint in one hand ... who has walked over rather gingerly toward this corner of the room to hello me, is peering around my shoulder at the confection. And giggles.
"What?" I tease... "Are you telling me that you do not recognize this fine figure of this Poncy, Nancy Bishounen Elf? (terms which mean little to most of you but whick are highly significant to my daughter and three of her teenage friends)
However, this comment does NOT help things... as Frodo's only answer is to giggle harder and ... becoming slightly embarrassed at himself, tries to surpress his hilarity at the same time... and fails utterly.
"Haldir... Haldir of Lorien? Remember? I say "My daughter has almost abandoned her affection for hobbits for this male example of the fair folk..."
In a desperate attempt to quiet himself he is now actually clapping hands to mouth to muffle his mirth. For a moment it seems to work... as Frodo with effort pulls his face into a serious mask and manages to mumble back a reply at me... something about a young girl wanting a Cute ElfCake not being at all remarkable... what would REALLY impress him would be if she actually WANTED to eat a cake decorated like Gollum...
And then he's off giggling again...
People are beginning to stare. Jewel looks puzzled and Connie looks concerned. A few of the Hobbiton folks are beginning to sigh and roll their eyes...
And no wonder. Frodo Baggins, out for an increasingly rare evening at the Green Dragon.... in his pints and more than a bit hysterical.
Thats just not something you see every day.
And while a bit of kicking back and relaxing with booze is good... I think that the time has come for Something should be done. Yes.. a Diversion.
I think of old movies where the hero helps his loyal sidekick recover from a freak out soundly clipping him in the jaw... but after 8 seconds imagining this I quickly abandon the notion....
Frodo has sunk into a crouch, his pint of whatever resting on the ground now... and his giggle has gone infectuous... because without meaning to I find myself starting up as well...
The little music trio in The Dragon has now taken up a lilting tune in 3/4 time. Tittering breathlessly stand next to Frodo and watch him lurching to his feet I when I ask him if he still remembers how one of us taught him the pattern of steps to the waltz.
I half expect this statement to send him off into a fit where he points his finger at me and explodes into a belly laugh... but it doesn't. Instead... he takes me by the hand and grins and proclaims (rather loudly to me) with a little bow and a flourish...
"Completely forgotten them. Have not a clue... But no matter Marea... somehow I'm sure the two of us will muddle through somehow..." and I feel myself being lead forward onto the dance floor.
It is only minutes later that I realize a few important things.
a. This is, in fact, was my first dance with Frodo, ever.
b. It does not feel the least bit ackward dancing with a hobbit if the hobbit is one as graceful as Mr. Baggins. I was the one stumbling around and off balance, not him, and I in fact was taught to waltz by my father when I was my daughter's age, so I should know better and....
c. Frodo lied.... he remembers how to waltz perfectly well.
Post 502
ConnieMarie
Date Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2004 6:55 pm
"Thank you all for the birthday greetings," Connie smiles shyly from her place near the piano. "I've been gone so long, I don't even deserve a party...but I'm quite grateful for it! It's wonderful to see Marea and Rosie and Wendy and Jewel and Froda and Merry and Pip and Frodo here at the Dragon tonight! Oh, and Sam! Here he comes. He's bringing some Old Winyards from up the Hill."
The proprietor brings some wine to go with that half eaten Haldir cake (*grin*) and Frodo takes a break from waltzing to try some. Pippin and Connie and Jewel duck out to work on a song.
"Hey, let's do one of those sappy love triangle songs!" Connie enthuses a bit tipsily. "How 'bout 'A Heart Full of Love' from Les Miz? I get to be Eponine, OK? That dratted Cosette is too high for me --you do her, 'K, Jewel? And Pip's the guy! Or, uh, there's 'I Still Believe' from Miss Saigon --that's 2 girls and a guy. You wanna be American or Vietnamese, Jewel? Oooo! Oooo! Or how about that one from Chess, eh? I get to be the Russian girl --I love doin' that accent, and Jewel can be Florence and Pip can be the Russian guy."
Marea comes and very kindly tries to relieve Connie of her wine.
"Erm...it's come to that, has it?" Connie murmurs, chagrined. "Well, OK! But let's go in and have one toast to Peter Jackson and the entire cast and crew upon the occasion of their Oscar noms before I give up my vino!
Post 503
fishy071
Date Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2004 10:49 pm
Thanks for the good news, Rosie_the_Hobbit! I hope ROTK gets the awards!
Happy Birthday ConnieMarie, Wood, and Marea‘s daughter! Let’s have a party for that, too. We’ll combine it with the GG party.
*****************************************
Fishy071 grabs some cake and cookies. She goes over to Frodo, and says, “Glad to see you here, Mr. Baggins. The party is in honor of your movie. You performed such a great deed.”
“I just feel like being alone at times,” he replies.
“She agrees, “I’m like that, too. I’m like the serious type, but tonight we’re going to interact and have fun at this party!”
She shares some of the sweets. Both of them are not eating much. Then she announces, “Hey, let’s have another song! Let’s sing the song the hobbits were singing in this inn in the SE DVD!”
Hey, ho to the bottle I go,
To heal my heart and drown my woe,
Rain may fall and wind may blow,
But there still be... many miles to go!
Sweet is the sound of the pouring rain,
And the stream that falls from hill to plain,
Better than rain or rippling brook,
Is a mug of beer inside this Took!
Post 504
Tinewen
Hobbit Friend
Date Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2004 5:09 am
Happy Birthday, dear Connie! I hope you have the loveliest day. Tin hands Connie a large bunch of roses and a VERY large box of chocolates! Thank you for your wonderful friendship. I was blessed when I found you here on TORC and am even more so to be able to count you as one of my dearest friends. {{{{{{{{{{Connie}}}}}}}}}}
Happy Birthday to your daughter also, Marea.
And of course, Happy Birthday to Elijah!
Fantastic news about the Golden Globe awards and the 11 Oscar Nominations! woohooo!!!!!
Tin
Post 505
JewelSong
Date Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2004 5:32 am
Connie, I am NOT singing Cosette's part! If you want to do a "three-some" song, how about "Two Ladies" from "Cabaret?" Now that'sa racy little song. Perhaps you need another glass of wine before we attempt it!
Anyway, I brought you a CASE of Mountain Dew Code Red, knowing that is your true passion and addiction. For myself, I'd love another pint of the Green Dragon's dark winter ale...nobody brews ale like the hobbits! Merry and Pippin have it right in that song! Both hobbits look up at Jewel and flash engaging grins.
Happy Birthday to Elijah! And a thousand thanks for his beauitful and moving portrayal of Frodo, the most famousest of hobbits...
Post 506
CaMinx
Date Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2004 6:53 pm
Happy Birthday Connie!!
{{{HUGS}}}
I hope you have/had a wonderful Day!! CaMinx Pulls out a huge sheet cake ~~ hope everyone like chocolate!!
Hee-hee "Two Ladies"! I remember that song ~ very racy Jewel
Post 507
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2004 7:37 pm
"Two Ladies"? My my, we really will need a few more drinks before we do that one!
CaMinx, I just have to say how much I *love* your sig! That is adorable!
Post 508
JewelSong
Date Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2004 7:45 pm
Okay, enough with the sweets! I feel like I'm on a sugar high here!
How about some of these most excellent nachos...with fresh chips, homemade salsa and really good guacamole? Watch out for the jalepenos, though! They go great with ale! Here - help yourself!
Post 509
fishy071
Date Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2004 9:50 pm
Let's also celebrate for the 11 Oscar nominations. We want ROTK to win, but I'm worried about their bias. I like the ROTK soundtrack, and I hope Shore and Lennox both win. It would be great if Jackson wins Best Director and ROTK wins Best Picture. Too bad they don't have a category called Best Movie.
Post 510
samaranth
Date Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 4:25 am
Hello everyone! And welcome to the Dragon, Greenleaflady.
LOL Cam, that is a gorgeous sig pic.
Happy Birthday Connie Please let me buy you another drink. Or perhaps a good strong cup of coffee would be a better option by this time.
That was a lovely cake, Marea. Tell me, who finally ate Haldir?
I went to see ROTK for the (let me see, *counts of fingers*) … 7th time yesterday. And I came out marvelling at the way I still feel so, so, so, indescribable. I am very pleased with the nominations (although what happened to Andrew Lesnie and cinematography?). While I want ROTK to scoop the pool I really, really want Howard Shore to win for the score. I think it is brilliant.
If you feel like torturing yourself a bit go here, to the New Line ‘for your consideration’ site. It has pictures, and clips, and other devastating stuff.
Post 511
ConnieMarie
Date Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 5:48 am
Good Morning, Friends! My, am I still here, partying? *grin*
*hugs her very old friends from the Kitchen: Marea, CaMinx, Samaranth & Tinewen* So good to see you, guys! And a warm hello to Fishy and Froda and all the newer Dragon denizens, too!
I think I do indeed need that coffee, Samaranth, and my Code Red, Jewel! I'm gonna be broke because I work when the kids are in school and we just had 3 snow days and a late opening today!
Here, a caffeinated toast to Mr. Elijah Wood, slightly belatedly, on the occasion of his 23rd birthday!
"We are grateful for this day upon which you were born, you, who have given us such a gift: bringing Frodo Baggins to such brilliant life and touching our souls forever."
That awards website... *guh* I just cried over clips. I am such a sap.
Post 512
WendyLadyofLothlorien
Date Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 6:52 am
Frodo seemed to be really enjoying his waltz with Marea enormously, and when the music stopped, Wendy approached the pair of them, with a package under her arm...
"Well, you two have certainly danced the night away, haven't you ?!!!...Frodo, and you too, Marea, come over here, I've something I want to show you both, but especially YOU, Frodo, because I know you could do with some cheering up at the moment..."
Marea gave Wendy a quizzical look, and caught her breath...
"Yes, I could do with a rest, preferably with a fresh drink in hand..." she laughed and went off to the bar, to drum up some service from Rosie at the bar...
Wendy took Frodo's hand and led him over to the table, where she sat him down, and handed him two leather-bound books, one with his own name on the front, embossed in gold letters, in Gothic script, and the other with a name that was vaguely familiar to him, but he couldn't quite place where he'd heard it before, also in gold-embossed Gothic letters:-
"Elijah Jordan Wood"
Turning the cover of the second one, in curiosity, he saw an inscription...
"To Our Dear Elijah, on the occasion of his 23rd Birthday, from a true fan, Wendy Lady of Lothlorien "
"Who is this Elijah ?..."
Frodo raised his eyebrows in a quizzical quirk, and took a sip from his umpteenth pint of the evening...
"Well, they made a film of your Quest to Mt. Doom, you know, and he played the part of you...a very good job he did too !!"
"Oh, I should LOVE to meet him one day, I'd be very curious to see what he looks like and what he thought of my story.."
"Well, you can see him in that book, you know, it's an album of my own favourite pics of him in real life....and in the other one, you can see playing the part of you, in the film..."
Wendy looked at him with a feeling that he wouldn't be around them much longer...he was hurting, that was evident, and she knew that soon, he would be gone from them all...
Well, here's my Link-of-the-Day, and all you Lij lovers here are going to LOVE this one...everyone else can also look, but bear in mind, you MAY be converted to a Pervy Fro/Lij-fancier, like the rest of us...
Are you ready for this ?
With the bandwidth of this site in mind, and because it was Our Lij's 23rd Birthday this week...I've decided to cast caution totally to the wind, and creat a couple of picture Albums at Sony's Image Station site ( Yippeee...it's all FREE !!! )...
(And for all of you who wonder about such things...these albums were originally created for the Khazaddum.com site, where I lurk under the name of Lady Wendy...)
The first celebrates the truly lovely character of Frodo, on his journey through the films...
These are my absolute favourite images of Frodo, because they all speak volumes to me, personally, about him and the journey he had to make...and in most of them, you can see, just from the expression on his face, just exactly what is going through his mind at that particular moment...ranging from happiness, through love, to fear, horror, dread, anguish, all the way to resignation, and despair...and this is entirely due to Elijah's internal method of acting, without which we would have nothing to talk endlessly about !!!
Click on the link, and hopefully, it will take you straight to the album..
Enjoy !!!
Frodo Album
The second album is composed from my very favourite pics of Elijah, himself, mostly from posed photo-shoots, and nearly all just head and shoulder shots...why that is, I cannot say, except that I must be responding mostly to his facial expressions...
Certainly it's very obvious from this selection, which is my favourite " look" ....clean-shaven, with slighter longer, spiked-up hair....yummmmm!!!!
Again, enjoy !!!...
Elijah's Album
I plan to be adding to these two, as more pics come up...they have to be favourites though !!!
Please feel free to add any comments below each pic, if you think that it's also one of your favourites too !!!...
Post 513
Trasmerg38
Date Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 11:41 am
Hi all.....well, I'm going to attempt this for the third time. I've been trying to eat Haldirs legs for days now!! Well, just since yesterday... What I've been wanting to say is Happy Birthday to Elijay, Connie and Christina, and to grab a dance with Merry, although he's probably worn out by now.
I'm sending this through my hubbies desktop, and if it finally works I'll be happy...I'll also drool through everyone's picture albums... Then I'll go try to figure out the problem with MY desktop.
Post 514
Trasmerg38
Date Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 6:14 pm
heh...I'm back in MUCH better humor. Sam, that site was awesome! Talk about devastating.....*sob*.....when is the EE being released? They just can't wait until November, can they????
The streamers are a bit droopy, and the music is dying down. I see there is still a piece of Haldir cake left....that awesome Poncy, Nancy Bishounen Elf!! Hmmm, looks like an elbow...well, it's mine now!
I watched the GG awards, and talk about an excited hobbit when they won all four that they were nominated for! I ran to my daughters room......."Guess what! RotK WON all FOUR!!!"......(in monotone)isn't that what you expected?"........run to son's room........"Guess who won BEST PICTURE?!!........(patronizing)"that's great mom!"..........hmmmm, kids!
I can't wait to see my reaction at the Oscars!
"Ahem....you asked for a dance?"
I turn around. It's Merry, with his little sly grin. "I think we can coax the musicians to play one more dance."
"Make that two!" Pippin says from the sidelines.
I feel myself flush. "Well, let's get started!" I beam.
Post 515
Tanwen_Luthien
Date Posted: Fri Jan
Are you stealing Pippin????!!!!!
Nooooo!!!!!!!
Post 516
ConnieMarie
Date Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2004 1:24 pm
TRAZ!!!!!!!!!! Hi! *hugs Traz hard*
Wendy, those pictures were wonderful. You have such good taste!
Ah, is our party over? *grin* Thanks to all. I enjoyed it very much, and I'm sure we'll find reason for another one soon enough.
Traz, I was just as excited about the Golden Globes. As for the Oscars, they had BETTER WIN 'EM ALL, is all I can say. And what the heck is this, with no acting noms? I mean, folks, just LOOK!
*frets*
Sean was brilliant, Viggo was brilliant, and Elijah entered some transcendant realm far beyond acting.
*mutters about the injustice of it all and orders more ale all around*
Post 517
Trasmerg38
Date Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2004 4:19 pm
TRAZ!!!!!!!!!! Hi! *hugs Traz hard* Hi Connie!!! *catches breath*
Yes, that would be well earned, 11 Oscars! Why the didn't have any acting noms is beyond me. Well, lets not fret too hard, makes me want to eat.
As for parties, I'm sure we'll have another reason to party soon enough....Friday is a good reason, no?
It's FRIDAY!!! I hope the rain will soon stop...
Post 518
ConnieMarie
Date Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2004 5:45 pm
Connie staggers in after a brief absence and sinks onto one of the trestles in front of the long table occupied by Wendy and Traz.
"Oh, I am in so much trouble," she moans.
"Whatever is the matter?" Pippin asks, concerned.
"Well...nothing, really." Connie flashes a weak smile. "It's just my six year old met a boy at the swimming pool. She insisted we get his phone number. And now she wants a pink 'Hello Kitty' phone in her ROOM to call him from. She's SIX. I am doomed."
Jewel, grinning, ambles on over and hands Connie a pint.
"You know, Peregrin Took, my daughter reminds me of YOU, a little," Connie muses. "She's got green eyes with that certain spark...and she's just a handful, if you know what I mean."
Pippin looks a bit affronted. With as much dignity as a hobbit who's been in the Dragon for several days straight now can muster, he says, "I'm sure I don't know what you mean at ALL."
Merry makes choking sounds, spewing ale all over the table.
Post 519
Marea
Date Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2004 9:56 pm
Connie - about your daughter...
Well... I chaparoned last week's Mardi Gras dance at my daughter's Middle School. She was there with That Boy... who was supposed to be her boyfriend for a while there but was mostly That Boy she has hung around with since fourth grade.
When I chaperone... I walk around and make sure order is kept while the kids are doing their thing in the gym. And last Friday, during a slow dance, I saw my daughter and That Boy dancing together for the first time... and I watched as she lay her head gently against his shoulder (she's tall...but he's way taller!) while he struggled to hold his nose above the furry cat ear headpiece she was wearing...
And I cried. Its not like this is NOT SUPPOSED to happen at her age... it is just cause this is The Beginning...
Beginnings and endings... round and round we go in an unbroken circle... Tolkien understood this motif all too well, didnt' he?
(Forgive my digression into purely personal territory ladies... I know that's not what this thread is about...)
Pippin... who has been nearby and been evesdropping smiles at me in a way that lights up his whole face and asks...
"Mardi Gras? What is Mardi Gras? If it includes dancing, it must be something fun, right?"
Traz... you want to take this question?
Post 520
Trasmerg38
Date Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2004 5:56 pm
Traz smiles as she listens to the other moms talk about daughters and boyfriends and thinks about her own daughter, 23, and the many boyfriends she's gone through....the good, the bad, and the ugly........she then hears Mardi Gras.....
huh...what....Mardi Gras? Well, Pippin, yes they have dancing, and music, costumes and parades where they throw beads and trinkets for favors.
"Favors? What sort of favors?" he asks innocently.
Umm....well, usually you can just wave or call out to the people on the floats, but in some places the people get a bit more, umm...bold? brazen? and they do other things to get their prize...............Marea, you are so much better at explaining things....
Pippin has a sly but still confused grin plastered on his face as he looks expectantly at Marea.
Post 521
Tanwen_Luthien
Date Posted: Sun Feb 1, 2004 12:10 am
Mardi Gras?
Well Pip, you know how Sam and Mr Frodo were very close....
Nah, I'm just joking!
Post 522
Tinewen
Hobbit Friend
Date Posted: Mon Feb 2, 2004 4:43 am
and Elijah entered some transcendant realm far beyond acting.
You know how much I agree with you about this Connie. When I watch him on screen, I am usually unable to tear myself away from watching his face. I am still amazed at how little mention he gets when people talk about who should have gotten an Oscar nomination. Are those people all blind?
And Connie, you have my sympathy with your daughter. I have no advice to offer I'm afraid as my daughter has been a confirmed tomboy for many years now and can't understand why other girls can't just see boys as friends. And as for dancing with a boy! Your comment about your daughter reminded me of that scene from Forever Young where little Elijah climbs the tree and seranades the girl he has a crush on. Ahhhh, young love!
Thank you Wendy btw for both the albums. Very nice!
Pippin and Merry wander over and notice the pile of cushions that Tin has positioned on the floor behind her.
"What are they for Tin?" Pippin asks.
"Well, they're for swooning?" Tin replies.
"Swooning?" Both hobbits look slightly puzzled. "What do you mean swooning?"
"Well, I'll show you." Tin says. She opens Wendy's Elijah Album and finds a particularly yummy photo - the one Marea got for her birthday last year will do nicely! She stares at the photo for a short time and then falls back *gracefully* onto the cushions behind.
swooooooooooooooon................thud!
Looking up at the two hobbits Tin smiles happily and says "That's swooning!"
"I think she needs a drink," Pippin mutters to Merry.
"Or a bucket of cold water!" Merry grabs Pippins arm and steers him in the direction of the nearest tap.
Post 523
Tanwen_Luthien
Date Posted: Tue Feb 3, 2004 12:33 pm
I think she's had a drink!
Or several dozen I should say....
Post 524
samaranth
Date Posted: Tue Feb 3, 2004 10:01 pm
Lady Wendy. Those are very nice albums. Oh yes they are .
Hello tin! Nice to see you again. Careful how you arrange those cushions, you need to make sure that all the landings are soft.
Speaking of Oscar nominations, I rather like the attitude of one writer (for the Telegraph in the UK), who in his despair over the lack of acting nominations for ROTK wrote:
At the risk of winning a permanent place in Pseuds' Corner, I believe The Return of the King to be one of the great artefacts of Western civilisation. It is a true masterpiece, and will one day be widely acknowledged as such…Those actors who have been snubbed by the Academy awards might brood crossly on Oscar night, but they shouldn't: for who remembers Oscars? After this film, they can stand tall, for they are now immortal.
I agree with this. I found the performances so intense I still have difficulty describing their effect on me.
The whole article can be found here.
(Connie - about your daughter. Should I tell my son?)
Post 525
ConnieMarie
Date Posted: Wed Feb 4, 2004 5:21 am
What a relief to hear SOMEBODY SAY IT, Sam. That there were no acting noms just astounds me. Well, I won't start in ranting; you all know where I stand! But thanks for letting us know about that bit of support from SOMEBODY "with eyes to see that can".
As for my daughter? Nah, don't tell your son. He is still Number One, even if she is a bit fickle, so he oughtn't to worry. *grin*
Now...you and I had discussed getting roaring drunk? Let's get started, girlfriend! BARKEEP!
Post 526
JewelSong
Date Posted: Wed Feb 4, 2004 6:41 am
WOW! Connie is getting roaring drunk??!?!?!?!?!?! This is something I do NOT want to miss!
I watched a little clip of Sean Astin on Letterman...you know, that man is just adorable. I will probably try to catch that movie "Fifty First Kisses" (with Adam Sandler) even though I know it will likely be stupid. Sean plays a gym-rat with a lisp. Heh.
Here's a link to the clip (right click and save!)
http://www.eskimo.com/~allegro/sean/sletterman.wmv
Post 527
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Wed Feb 4, 2004 7:31 am
Did someone say, "drunk"?
Froda enters the bar, followed closely by Merry and Pippin. "Connie's planning on getting drunk!" says Pippin mishievously. "Not without us, she's not!" replies Merry with a grin.
Mind if I join you as well?
Post 528
Tanwen_Luthien
Date Posted: Wed Feb 4,
Not at all!
Let me start you off!
Hands her a pint (full)
And yes, Pippin, there is a pint.
Post 529
ConnieMarie
Date Posted: Wed Feb 4, 2004 1:15 pm
Watchin' Sean, readin' articles that RAVE about our movie in terms that FINALLY do it justice... I feel better, don't you?
Hi Tanwen and Froda and Tin and Sam and Jewel... It's lovely to see you here, along with Merry & Pip.
Can I have another pint? Oh! Here's Pippin, bringing me one right now.
Samaranth, why don't you get up on the table and read that article aloud for us all? Its content needs to be proclaimed to all and sundry. No, wait! *hiccup* I will do it. Here's my favorite part:
"...the films are a far greater artistic achievement than the books --indeed, they stand as probably the mightiest achievement in the entire history of cinema."
Oh, yes, feeling much better...
Post 530
Trasmerg38
Date Posted: Wed Feb 4, 2004 7:23 pm
Great article, Sam. That guy only mentioned four who deserved recognition; Elijah Wood, Sir Ian McKellen, Viggo Mortensen and Bernard Hill...and I know he said "at least four" but I say they ALL deserved some sort of recognition! It was a film very well done. It is a shame they didn't get any acting noms.
But that's the Oscars....there are other awards out there, right?
Sean on Letterman was wonderful...I wish they were talking more about RotK rather than that other film. The audience cheered the most when they mentioned RotK!
So Connie, are we drunk yet?? Here, they've brought out the Honey Apple Home Brew.....delicious as well as potent...........umm, Pippin, slow down with that, I said it's potent!
Post 531
Tanwen_Luthien
Date Posted: Fri Feb 6, 2004 12:06 am
Pippin is too busy guzzling to hear one word, the alchohol running in rivulets down his red cheeks. Merry is busy cheering him on. Tanwen watches him for a moment, before turning back to her food
I could take it off him, but where's the fun in that!
Post 532
samaranth
Date Posted: Fri Feb 6, 2004 5:02 am
Tras, of course you’re right. There are other deserving cast members too – Billy Boyd is one name that springs to mind…would you agree?
Seriously, I loved Pippin in ROTK, Billy Boyd’s performance nearly broke my heart.
No, I’m not drunk yet, so please pour me another one! It has been a really, really ordinary week, and I’m so glad it’s finally Friday night – at least, it is where I am. Not that I’ve actually finished what I had to do, but I should be able to catch up on the weekend. Fortunately virtual alcohol doesn’t give you quite the same kind of hangover as the real stuff.
I saw Sean Astin on Letterman the other night too – I found it interesting how he mentioned that people have been telling him he should have received an Oscar nomination. ROtK did get the biggest cheers, didn’t it!
By the way, if that is Pippin still in the corner with the Honey Apple Home Brew, perhaps you’d better go and remind him how potent it is! Or maybe we should start the dancing again.
Post 533
Tanwen_Luthien
Date Posted: Fri Feb 6, 2004 7:44 pm
What? Tell Pip to stop and spoil my fun?
Never!!!!!!
But we could start dancing again...
Post 534
WendyLadyofLothlorien
Date Posted: Sat Feb 7, 2004 3:03 am
Tinewen,
"Pippin and Merry wander over and notice the pile of cushions that Tin has positioned on the floor behind her.
"What are they for Tin?" Pippin asks.
"Well, they're for swooning?" Tin replies.
What an absolutely marvellous idea...a comforting pile of swooning/lounging floor cushions to fall into, when the mood takes you...how Fab !!! ( I think I may invite Frodo to come and test them out with me !!! )
Well, I haven't been here in a bit, because I've been more than occupied over at the Khazaddum.com website. where all kinds of Frodo-fun is going on...
While I was there, I met loads of people who appear to come from London, so I arranged to meet up with a couple of them for a drink last Wednesday - Pearl and Ghyste, who are both Frodo fans like me...well, turns out that Pearl also posts here occasionally, and also writes Fan-fiction when the mood takes her, which, sadly, isn't very often, as she has only three stories up at WOTM...she posts under the name of "Diamond of Longcleeve", if any of you have come across her...
Next week, we are arranging to go and see ROTK again, before it disappears from the cinema forever ( sob !! )
Looks like another party is brewing in here, or at least some kind of drinking contest, which means that I HAVE to join in...
" A pint of cider if you please, Rosie..."
Post 535
Shadowfax8
Date Posted: Sat Feb 7, 2004 8:36
Shadow detaches herself from the wall, where she's been lurking for an age
Connie wants to get rip-roaring drunk? I'm with Jewel, I gotta see this!!!
Sorry I've been away for so long, ladies. Life has just been nuts since ROTK and xmas. The GMA's finished up, WOTM has had a significant bump in popularity since ROTK, and all of this amounts to a very busy Shadow!
I am THRILLED about all the Oscar noms!! But, as everyone has said, the lack of actor nominations is a travesty. Sean was ROBBED by not getting one...but he was at least being considered for one. Elijah was not even being toued for an Oscar nom! I'm sorry, New Line and Academy, but anyone who can convince me of the immense power of the Ring and illustrate its takeoever of Frodo's mind WITH ONLY THEIR BODY LANGUAGE AND FACIAL EXPRESSIONS, deserves an Oscar in my opinion. Poor Elijah. And if I get the opportunity to speak to Elijah on Oscar night, I plan to tell him that I thought he deserved to win an Oscar, and that he'll always be the best actor of this year to me.
Which leads me to other big news--Marea and I are all set to go to TORn's Oscar party, and I received my press invitation this week! SQUEEE!!!! Still lots of details to nail down, but with any luck we'll get to talk to some of the cast and crew!! YAY!!! Now I just have to come up with good questions! Ideas are welcome, ladies!! Now I am off to send my press credentials in to the appropriate folks, and hope that all goes well. I'll be back soon!
Post 536
Tanwen_Luthien
Date Posted: Sat Feb 7, 2004 1:05 pm
WHA????????????????????
You get to do WHAT????!!!!!!!!!!!
WAAAAAAAHHHH!!!!!!
Post 537
WendyLadyofLothlorien
Date Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 12:05 pm
Shadowfax,
OH MY...!!!
HOW UTTERLY FAB !!!
So you and Marea get to go and see ALL KINDS of interesting people...I'm sooooo jealous...
Now then questions, questions, questions....just getting my thinking cap on here...Imagine you get to meet Elijah, for instance...and I'm not, for one moment, assuming that you will ...you'll want to be asking him, or anyone else you meet, really good sensible questions that no-one else has EVER asked before, because you want to engage him ( or them ) for longer than a few minutes, don't you think ?
Give me a few days, and I'll come up with a few for you...
Post 538
JewelSong
Date Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 12:15 pm
Shadow, as I told you before, when you meet Elijah, just give him my address and phone number, will you? That's a good girl.
Post 539
Trasmerg38
Date Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 6:58 pm
Shadow, ditto Jewel's post, except change Elijah to Billy and we'll be all set!
Sam, "Billy Boyd is one name that springs to mind...would you agree?"
Well, that was rather an understatement in my case...we could maybe say "jumped in leaps and bounds"! I agree, Billy was most amazing in Return of the King. Not only the song, which tears out my heart, but every scene he was in. The terror when he was telling Gandalf what he saw in the Palantir...the innocence and dispair when he didn't fully understand that Gandalf was taking him away from his best friend...the pride when he lit the beacons...the joy when he found Merry...
And of course, the heroic return to the Shire......swooooooooon.......ploooof!
Well, nice to have these pillows handy!!! I'm ready for another Honey Brew......Pippin! You can't be drinking it ALL?!!! Save some for the rest! Come, lets have a dance!!
Post 540
Marea
Date Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 7:53 pm
Pass me a home brew, will you Pippin, there's a dear boy....
Sometimes, various aspects of fandom feel almost too much like work... and the passion flags and I just feel pooped.
Tonight has felt like that... and then I remember this place here.
Wendy... never you fear. Shadow and I have been writing partners and we are good with questions. If you have any, by all means send them along. There are no guarantees... only possibilities.... and dreams.
And in case any of you folks posting or lurking here EVER have the opportunity to speak for a few minutes to a celebrity... LOTR or otherwise... here's what I learned to do and not to do... mostly the hard way.
There's a trick to asking good questions... mostly you have to pick ones that haven't been asked 10,000 before ("Has the experience of being in LOTR CHANGED you at all"... or even worse "Did being together for so long mean that you got particularly close to your castmates on this movie?". Basically.... you have to do your research... and that is where a "fan" journalist is worth his/her weight in gold as compared to a "regular" journalist... fans WANT to do their research... it is fun... and consequently they can come up with some unusual inquires and topics of discussion.
So... read a health sampling of old interviews and related articles on the person you are interviewing... reviews of movies...fluff pieces.... and expecially hard news type stories, if you can get any. Yes... this takes time, but especially if you are not under a deadline the effort is worth it.
You have to ask a question that has a reasonable chance of being answered truthfully. I mean... all good journalists have had their moments... I'll always remember Barbara Walters asking Elton John if he was gay, and Elton telling her he was "bisexual"... which was the first squeak of his closet door opening. But REALLY now... are you going to waste the precious limited time you have with someone famous for whom you might have worked QUITE hard to get access on something edgy or outrageous? At best, you'll get a cute, non serious "line" back... at worst you'll offend the person and spoil the rest of the interview.
You need to ask a question that doesn't have a ready "pat" answer... and that includes question that could conceivably be answered with a "yes" or a "no". Frankly... this is trickier than it first appears, because shrewd and articulate celebs can "pat answer" most anything... they're THAT good. Still you have to try... and phrasing is important. Keep it open ended for one thing. And if you're trying to get an inkling of what they REALLY feel about the war in Iraq, you might want instead to ask (as I did of Dom Monaghan at last year's Oscar Party) "What are your feelings about the decision to hold the Oscars.. and in fact this party... at such a time like this?"
You have to LISTEN... really listen. This is not only important for accuracy (for that it may be actually better to rely on a recording device of some sort)... but you have to follow along with the answer the celeb is giving to take advantage of followup question opportunities... whether you want the person to clarify, or to expand, on a point that they're making.
Practice asking your questions. Yes... that's right. Stand in front of a mirror, talk to yourself when you're on the train... speak into the sky when you're lying on your back looking at the clouds. Here yourself using your words... do they sound as good spoken aloud as they do on paper? Whether you think this sounds silly or not...be sure to practice speaking slowly and calmly... in the moments just before you ask your first question, when you're perhaps most excited and anxious... this will make a difference when it counts.
Pick just a few of your very best question... and ask them in descending order of preference. This way you won't be kicking yourself that you never got a chance to ask what you REALLY wanted to know most.
That's it... hope you all have occasion to use these sometime.
Post 541
WendyLadyofLothlorien
Date Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 12:16 pm
Marea,
Wow, you certainly have given this a ton of thought !!
I SOOO envy you both for this opportunity...please have a great time for all of us left here at the Green Dragon...
If you should happen to come across the very lovely Elijah, at said party, you could do worse than grill him mercilessly about this :-
( please excuse the truly appalling translation...)
"Elijah Wood will be Saint Gabriel “dell’Addolorata”
By corridor voices in the USA and italian cinematographic and ecclesiastical “palaces”, it seems that the famous actor Elijah Wood ( Frodo, in the Kiwi Peter Jackson “Lord of the Rings” Trilogy) could be favourable to make the roll of Saint Gabriel “dell’Addolorata” (so this great young Saint has known in whole world), in a new great USA-Italy movie production for the big screen. By Zeffirelli, Scorzese or Mel Gibson as director. It’s a secret now.
Saint Gabriel was the young Passionist monk (never done priest because he died, on alone 24 years old in holiness smell, in the Convent of Passionist Fathers at Isola del Gran Sasso, in province of Teramo, Abruzzo Region, Italy, on XIX Century, on 27 february 1862), which true saint life (not agiographic but real, based on a great Italian historial of Montorio Al Vomano City, in Abruzzo Region) is whole unknown, by faithmen and not, in the world today.
Young Italian passionist monk life, infact, was much braided to risorgimental stories of our italian national history of Indipendence in XIX Century. By the reason
Elijah Wood has decide to enter in new great cast (with the beauty Liv Tyler / Arwen), many critics suppose the LOTR world social impact in Roman Italian Catholic Church too.
More info on this obscure saint, ( well I've never heard of him !! ) is here :-
San Gabriel info
Someone said that they do hope that EJW doesn't get typecast as a martyr-figure, well it seems that this San Gabriel wasn't a martyr, in that he didn't die for his faith, he died of TB...and secondly, EJW has done a couple of very different roles in between this and LOTR, so I think he's astute enough to avoid any risk of typecasting...I personally love the idea of a young and tragic dying Saint, particularly as Zefirelli may be involved...he does Tragedy soooo well !!!
Post 542
Lidau
Date Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 1:10 pm
Wendy, where did you find that? If I am completely honest, it sounds more like a strange joke..well, we´ll see.
In the meantime, is there some of that honey and apple brew left? I´ll have some to overcome sadness about the fact that ROTK left theatres here already...
Lidau
Post 543
WendyLadyofLothlorien
Date Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2004 5:50 am
Lidau,
This was posted at the khazaddum.com website...before that, it was at Comingsoon.com, I think...previous to that, it was probably from an Italian film website, filtered through some awful automatic computer translation service, I expect - Ohhh, the wonders of the Internet !!!
I have absolutely no reason to doubt its authenticity, but it may be just a casting rumour...film websites often have info like this, and sometimes it leads to all kinds of incorrect rumours floating around !
Personally, I love the idea of EJW playing the part of a tragic Saint figure !! Particularly, as I said before, if Franco Zeffirelli might be involved too...
Post 544
Tinewen
Hobbit Friend
Date Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2004 2:37 am
Last weekend I took my parents to see ROTK. I am very pleased to say that they both really enjoyed it. My dad particularly kept asking me questions about it afterwards and said that he couldn’t stop thinking about the film all that day. He was so intrigued by it that he mentioned wanting to read the books! Hee! Another convert. Deciding that this was an opportunity too good to miss, I went out the next day and bought him a copy of the book. It was his birthday yesterday so I just gave it to him a few days early. It was interesting to note his reaction to the different characters in the film. He really liked Sam and thought he was good. He was very surprised that Frodo claimed the Ring and was slightly puzzled as to why Frodo left at the end. He said that he did seem unhappy throughout most of the film but he didn‘t think he would actually leave. I, of course, launched into a long lecture as to why Frodo behaved the way he did. It got me thinking though that perhaps the average movie goer who has not read the books might not have had this spelt out enough for them in the film. Without actually having the time to show Frodo’s anniversary illnesses (other than the very brief glimpse we get ) I guess it would be hard for them to understand.
I also had the experience of a friend (?? well she USED to be my friend )at another recent viewing, saying to me that she thought that Frodo was a bit of a wimp both in the movie and the books. I must admit that I felt all ‘Samish’ - that Frodo wasn’t getting the recognition that he deserved. I had to wonder seriously if she and I had been to see the same movie! I find it somewhat annoying and frustrating when people say this. I mean the poor hobbit has been to hell and back. I guess it gets to back to what people’s perception of a hero is. I’d better get another couple of copies of Connie’s lovely essay to give to my friend and to my dad.
On another note, I am now the proud owner of a beautiful silver ring with word “Frodo” inscribed on it. It has two mallorn leaves either side of Frodo’s name - hee! Now I get to carry Frodo around with me all day!
I am also collecting a set of LOTR pins. The major newspaper in our state has this offer whereby if you take a token published in the paper you can buy a pin from a participating newsagent for $2.00. There’s a pin to represent all the major characters. I guess this only adds to my geeky image!
I personally love the idea of a young and tragic dying Saint, particularly as Zefirelli may be involved...he does Tragedy soooo well !!!
He certainly does Wendy.
Marea - I hope all goes well with you and Shadow at the Oscar Party and that you get to ask all sort of in depth, interesting questions!
Post 545
WendyLadyofLothlorien
Date Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 3:46 pm
Hi there,
Just a quick post to let all you people know that ROTK has won the Best Film BAFTA.....Hurray !!!
It has also won :-
Best Adapted Screenplay
Best Cinematography
Best SFX
Orange Film of the Year ( Public Vote Award )
MANY CONGRATULATIONS TO PETER JACKSON ET AL...
Well, I think that definitely deserves a drink...don't you ?
Wendy beckons Rosie over to get herself and everyone else a drink...
Remember, you heard it here first !!!
Post 546
Damalur-sol
Date Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 6:55 pm
That's great news Wendy! And certainly worthy of a drink.
A toast to Peter Jackson and his cast and crew.
Hopefully the cast of LotR will get the award for best ensemble performance, that's the only opportunity they have for an acting award (as far as I know...), a travesty.
Post 547
Marea
Date Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 6:39 pm
Recently, an article/essay was making the rounds on the subject of the diminishment of Frodo Baggins in the Jackson movies. In my opinion, the author made several good points, though I did not agree with everything she said.
Here is someone's answer to that article... and odd thing is I feel exactly the same way about it... author made some good points, but I do not agree 100%
Excerpt was borrowed from TORN with every intention of returning...
From one called "Sulky "
"I myself feel the character was very well interpreted and have heard Peter Jackson state in many interviews that he feels Frodo is the true hero of the story - so enough of this 'maybe the writers didn't like Frodo' talk. I have never heard Jackson state that the true hero is Sam, though many book readers and film fans have felt this. The key reason that Jackson cites Frodo as the 'true hero' is because he is the character who has to make the biggest sacrifice. It is interesting to hear this critic sniffing at the notion of Frodo as a 'sacrificial hero' as if to sacrifice oneself for the sake of Middle Earth isn't brave enough for them. It seems they are ignorant to the fact that this is exactly what Tolkien intended Frodo to be and that it is precisely his 'sacificial situation' which most reveals Frodo's strength. A hero is some one who RISKS their life for the sake of good (as Sam does). A sacrificial hero or martyr is some one who OFFERS their life for the sake of good. This is the key element of Frodo's heroism and it is not taken away or even downsized in the films.
"It is interesting to see that one of the major 'downsizings' was considered to be his rescue by Arwen. It seems to me that this scene is wildly misinterpreted. Frodo's resistance to the wraith poison is an internal battle of his strengh of will. It is because of his inner strength, that in the book and the film, Frodo survives his injury. As Gandalf remarks 'You have some strength in you, my dear hobbit,' and I don't hear any character giving Arwen the credit for Frodo's recovery. The point of this scene is Frodo's inner strength, which does not require an external flourish of bravery such as Frodo jeering and waving his fists at the Black Riders. If you are able to pick up on subtleties as a viewer you might notice that Elijah's eyes express the same contempt as the line 'You shall have neither the ring, nor me!'
"Another so-called 'downsizing' which I feel has been misinterpreted is Frodo turning on Sam in ROTK. Again, if you are really concentrating you will see that it is the ring that turns Frodo against Sam, not simply Gollum (though Gollum does work as an agent of the ring). Though this does not happen in the book, it is plain to see where the writers drew their inspiration. Twice in the books when Sam offers to carry the ring, Frodo turns on Sam, insults him and rejects him. It is not that much of a stretch to imagine that his paranoia over the ring might cause Frodo to send his friend from his side. For me, Frodo and Sam's separation in the movies does not 'weaken' the friendship. Rather it highlights the hobbits devotion to each other when we see both of them alone and desperate to find one another again.
"But I am sick of this focus on the 'downsizing of frodo'. There a many additions in the movie that raise the status of the character! Though I love the books, Frodo's choice to take the ring in the council of Elrond is made much braver and bolder than in the novel - in which he seems reluctant and is almost forced into being the ringbearer. To further support the movie, I can't tell you how moved I was to hear Aragorn whisper the words 'for Frodo' before the Black Gates or to hear Merry cheering Frodo's name when the dark tower collapsed. Though I'm sure the Fellowship are aware that Sam made the journey too, it is Frodo who actually bore the ring to Mount Doom for the sake of all Middle Earth. Nothing expresses Frodo brave and selfless 'sacrifice' more so than Pippin's silent whimper - 'Oh Frodo...' It is also worth noting that the hobbit's recovery and awakening is shown through Frodo's eyes where in the book it is shown from Sam's perspective. In fact all of the final twenty minutes of ROTK is centered upon Frodo where as in the book Tolkien switched the focus to Sam. And what could place Frodo more firmly in the spotlight as the movie's hero than showing him writing a book entitled 'The Lord of the Rings'? It is and always was Frodo's story!"
And Sulky also offers these additional comments that claim the middle ground and made sense of the movie's interpretion in those terms:
"How could Frodo be the one true hero? He could never have done it without Sam. And do the people who suggest Sam is the true hero really believe he could have done it without Frodo? Both these characters' heroism is dependant on them working together! And would Frodo and Sam even have had the chance to achieve their quest if it wasn't for the heroics of the rest of the fellowship, the Rohans and the Gondorians? I don't think so. Most importantly the quest could not have been achieved without Gollum - or more specifically Frodo's, Bilbo's and eventually Sam's mercy towards Gollum which is the real heroic factor.
"What Tolkien seems to be making very clear is that you can't have one, incredible, evil defeating hero. It is the heroes unity against ONE all powerful foe that allows them to suceed. I don't know why fans are so obsessive over the notion of 'the real hero'. The idea of a fellowship of heroes is far more inspiring to me."
Interesting stuff...
Post 548
WendyLadyofLothlorien
Date Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 12:19 pm
Marea,
I, too, have read Juliet Waldron's article bemoaning the fact that P.J. somehow diminished the character of Frodo, and have also read many other people's take on it, both in the Kitchen, where I posted the link to it yesterday, and over at the Khazaddum website where it has caused quite a stir among all the myriad Frodo fans there....In the Kitchen, Magpie, Damalur-sol, Honeyelf, and Samaranth have given their not inconsiderable opinions on it, as you can imagine ...For me, I changed my view from one of total agreement to one of sceptical disagreement, when I realised that she really didn't have a very complete view of Frodo...
She seems to have missed the entire depth of his INNER heroism - in taking on the quest in spite of the known and unknown dangers,in practically giving up on his own life for the sake of saving Middle-Earth, and in fact, simply dealing with the strain of carrying the Ring in the first place...to quote Magpie :-
We don't know about Frodo's relationship with the ring in canon. The movie tries to explore it, tries to explore what it's like losing yourself that way. It also makes for more tension with Gollum and Sam. So yes, it's different but I don't really get this feeling that it's beneath Frodo to suggest carrying the most evil object in ME that is also the most powerful and plays with your mind actually had some effect on him besides making him tired.
LOL at that sentiment...because it's actually true !!!
I, personally, don't have any qualms about Our Dear Frodo, book or movie version...to me, they are simply two different versions of the same character, one internal, conjured up by writing on a page, and the other, brought to glorious life on the big screen, by a very talented young actor, and his genius Director...and that's good enough for me...
I reckon we can all thank our lucky stars that this story has been told in movie form, by, essentially, just another fan...
Post 549
Marea
Date Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 7:27 pm
I reckon we can all thank our lucky stars that this story has been told in movie form, by, essentially, just another fan...
Hear hear, Wendy. Well said.
Been lurking in the Kitchen. When I summon enough worthy thoughts to post on this issue, I will.
Post 550
Trasmerg38
Date Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2004 6:51 pm
Traz walks into the Dragon and notices that it looks like it's been closed for a while... voice echoing in the dim light... cold ashes scattered on the hearth... a light layer of dust hanging on everything...
Walking behind the bar, Traz pours herself a pint. She brings it over to a table that she wiped the dust off of and sits down. She hums to herself as she pollishes off her ale.
"I hope this is a temporary lull," she says to the darkness around her, "although I s'pose I'm just as guilty...not popping in myself for days on end."
Sam startled her as he came out of the back room. "I thought I heard someone out here. How are you, Miss Traz?" he said with a smile.
"Sam, you startled me! I didn't think anyone was here...do you know where everyone is?"
Sam sighed, "Well, no, but I'm sure they will all be back eventually. I came over to start tidying up the place before everyone gets here. I'm sorry I didn't get it done before you arrived," he blushed.
"Oh, don't you be worrying about that, Sam! I tell you what, I am bored silly. Get me a rag and a broom, and I'll help you get this place cleaned up. I'll let you build the fire."
Traz was so determined to clean up the place, Sam had a hard time saying no and in the end they were both busying themselves around the Dragon. Rosie joined them shortly thereafter and before long they had the Dragon looking back to it's regular self.
"Now, all it needs is people! I've been dying to talk about the upcoming Oscars!"
Sam and Rosie both looked mildly confused, but assumed it was something from the so called RL that the ladies often referred to and smiled and nodded as Traz helped herself to another pint. As everything was ready for the evening, Sam and Rosie joined her and listened intently to Traz as she chatted about her own RL.
Post 551
WendyLadyofLothlorien
Date Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2004 2:39 am
Wendy pops her head around the door of the Dragon, and sees that there IS Life here after all...Tras and Sam are intent on getting the place cleaned up....just in time for an Oscar Celebration Party on Sunday night...
Tras,
Never fear, I'm lurking just outside most days, but where are all the rest of us ??...I have no idea, the Kitchen has been deserted for days too !!
Yes, the Oscars are upon us with a vengeance, and if P.J. and Co don't do the business, then I'll have to eat my hat, and I don't much like the taste of felty wool...I'm convinced that the Best Film WILL win, AND the Best Director of our time, and I would also love for Annie Lennox to win for Best Song...and I really think that Andy Serkis should get a nod for his sterling work as Gollum...Ah well, 'tis a shame that none of the actors will get recognised, although Elijah isn't one for accolades for himself at all...he is very anxious that P.J. should get his dues...
The other thing is that the new issue of STARBURST magazine has a 63-page article and includes all kinds of interviews with Elijah, Sean, Alan Lee, John Howe, Richard Taylor, Andrew Lesnie etc,etc,etc...This IS available in the US for $9.99 I think, but may be difficult to get hold of..I've been told that Barnes & Noble,or Borders, are likely suspects, or, of course TORN will no doubt have scans up soon...
Post 552
JewelSong
Date Posted: Sat Feb 28,
Hello, all! Glad we're getting this place spiffed up, because I intend to do a LOT of celebrating come Sunday night!
Wendy, that looks like a wonderful edition of STARBURST and I found how you can order it on-line - go here: http://www.visimag.com/acatalog/VI_DIRECT_Catalog_Starburst_Specials_60___69_188.html#aS62
It's $9.99 US plus $2.00 shipping!
Now,how about figuring out what kind of food we want to have for tomorrow? I volunteer to bring a HUGE plate of Nachos, complete with spicy salsa and homemade gaucamole.
Post 553
WendyLadyofLothlorien
Date Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2004 1:52 pm
Jewel,
It's so lovely to hear from you again...it's been ages !!! We'd thought you'd dropped off the face of the Earth...
As for food for our Oscar Celebrations...although your tacos and guacamole will be a marvellous appetizer, for later on, when we get really hungry, I rather think that some Hobbit food may be in order, and even though I haven't actually tried these recipes, they sound as if they may be delicious...
I reckon Mrs Maggot's Tater Casserole with creamed mushrooms and Lothlorien Lembas, accompanied by Merry's mulled cider, followed by a big slice of Dragon's Tail Cake...oooooh, can't wait !!!
And where is Marea, Shadow, Connie, Magpie, Samaranth, Rosie and everyone else....come on you lot, stop lurking, and come on in and join us for a Party to celebrate our film's win at the Oscar show...you know you want to !!!
LOTR Recipes
Post 554
Trasmerg38
Date Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2004 3:49 pm
Wendy! Jewel! Good to see you both! Allow me! *Traz looks over at Sam who smiles and nods, then she goes back behind the bar and pours a couple of pints and brings them out for her friends.* Thanks Sam!
Wendy, those recipes look mighty tastey, but there's just something about nachos and gaucamole, they're perfect for a party...yummm!! Of course, I live for extra calories; Jewel, do you have jalapeno cheese dip with those nachos? If not, I'm bringing some...with extra jalapenos!
Btw, I know where Shadow and Marea are at least.....at TORN's One Party!!!! Rooting LIVE for our boys!!!! Ohh, I hope they get to meet a bunch of them in person, they've been known to pop over in the past! *squeeeeee!*
Post 555
Trasmerg38
Date Posted: Sun Feb 29, 2004 9:19 pm
Traz clinks her mug
May I have your attention please!
She looks around at the crowd of what...four?
Ahem...can you say "Clean Sweep"?? Lord of the Rings, Return of the Kings takes home 11 little gold men out of 11 nominations!! May I take this moment to squee??
SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Whew, I'm glad I got that out of my system... I'm ready to party now!
Post 556
Damalur-sol
Date Posted: Sun Feb 29, 2004 9:30 pm
Damalur bursts in, making this "crowd" of four, five
I can't believe it! Finally they give this movie what it deserves, it only took them three years to figure it out. Come on now, we can't have an Oscar party of five, let's get some music (and ale) going and see who we can tempt in here. Where's Pippin, he's always up for a party.
Cheers to 11 Oscars for our hobbits!
Post 557
JewelSong
Date Posted: Sun Feb 29, 2004 9:53 pm
We won! Wewonwewonwewonwewon....!!!
Didn't they all look FINE? And so happy for each other! Go, Peter! Go, Fran! Go Phillipa! Go Alan Lee and John Howe and Barrie Osborne and Howard Shore! Go all the tech people and the make-up people and the costume designers! Go Hobbits and Elves and Dwarves and Wizards and Men. And most of all...go, JRR Tolkien. You changed my life.
Jewel grabs a mug of ale from the bar and drinks it down in one long pull, as Sam looks on, a bit alarmed. Pippin, however, seems impressed.
"What's all the fuss about, then?" he inquires.
"Our story, Pip," says Merry. "Our story won some kind of big prize."
Jewel grins, too please to really say much. "Yes," she says. "Your story won a big prize. And now, lots of people know about what you did and how brave you were."
"Well, Miss Jewel," Sam offers. "I just hope that the story explained it right - you know, 'bout Mr.Frodo and all. I hope they got it right."
Don't fuss, Sam. They got it right.
Post 558
Rosie_the_hobbit
Date Posted: Mon Mar 1, 2004 10:28 am
SQUEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!
We won! Congratulations Peter Jackson, Fran Walsh, Phillipa Boyens, Elijah Wood, Sean Astin, Billy Boyd, Dominic Monaghan, ... EVERYONE who was involved in making these movies.
Thank you JRR Tolkien for creating this wonderful world of Middle Earth. We are all greatly in your debt.
All 11!!!! WOOHOO!!!
Post 559
ConnieMarie
Date Posted: Mon Mar 1, 2004 10:52 am
It was wonderful, wasn't it? *grin*
I especially love how Fran, Phillipa and PJ all look like total geeks. Don't you love it? I LOVE IT!!!!!! They are GENIUSES!
I was especially pleased for Howard Shore and Fran and Annie Lennox --SCORE AND SONG! YOWZA!
I read somewhere that Steven Spielberg said that this movie being awarded was vindication for all the people who have loved ALL the movies that never got rewarded. (You know, like Star Wars and ET!)
Go US.
What a force these movies and this Story have been in all our lives. I am just so grateful.
And --hey! Guess what came in the mail today! Two gorgeous New Line posters --the one of Gandalf & Frodo from FOTR ("All you have to do is decide what to do with the time that is given to you" and Sam carrying Frodo up Mt. Doom. Yeah, I splurged.
Post 560
WendyLadyofLothlorien
Date Posted: Mon Mar 1, 2004 10:54 am
WOOOOOHOOOOO !!!!.....
Rosie jumps up in alarm at Wendy's shout of triumphant joy ...
"Don't worry, Rosie, it's just my way !!..here, have a pint on me, yes, and everyone in here...in fact, maybe we need Champagne ...yes, definitely, we need Champagne...
Rosie, a bottle of your finest, if you please !!"
Rosie hurries off to the cellar, keys jangling at her belt as she runs down the cellar steps in her eagerness to fetch a bottle of Old Winyards finest Vintage...it isn't often that the champagne cellar is called upon to offer up its best, and even though she doesn't really know what all the fuss is about, she knows that when Wendy is THAT excited, it must indeed be an event worth celebrating...
Now then , if only that Mr Frodo were here, all would be perfect...
Well...How about that then ???...ALL ELEVEN OSCARS...talk about sweeping the board...
The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King, Winner of 11 Academy Awards:
Best Picture,
Best Director,
Best Adapted Screenplay,
Best Film Editing,
Best Original Score,
Best Original Song,
Best Art Direction,
Best Costume Design,
Best Sound Mixing,
Best Visual Effects,
Best Makeup.
The whole LOTR Trilogy has been nominated for 30 Oscars in total, with a win-tally of 17...How spectacular is that ???
I have to say that Peter Jackson and all his cast and crew deserve these accolades more than anyone else has, for a very long time indeed...don't you think ?
Actually, I haven't had a chance to watch the ceremony yet...that pleasure will come later on tonight, when our own Jonathan Ross does his edited highlights for BBC1...a little more sensible running time of 2 hours ! Sadly, I couldn't possibly stay up until 5 am, watching the ceremony live, as I had to work today...Boo Hiss !!
How about some of this lovely bubbly then...here comes Rosie now, with a few bottles for us...
It's not everyday that you win eleven Oscars !!
Post 561
Tinewen
Hobbit Friend
Date Posted: Mon Mar 1, 2004 12:20 pm
Yay! They won! Wooohoooooo!!!!!!
It was such a thrill to see them all get their awards and of course every time LOTR won whose lovely face did the cameras pan to? Hee! (Tin was a very happy fangirl last night watching the delayed telecast. )
Wasn't it great to see all four hobbits together?
Pass me a glass of that champagne please, Wendy....it's time to party!!!!
Post 562
Lidau
Date Posted: Mon Mar 1, 2004 1:24 pm
I´ll join the celebration, if you don´t mind, and I´ll have some champagne, too!
Wendy, I did stay up until 6.15 this morning, and most amazingly the tiredness only started when I got home (but I´ll not do this again so soon).
Anyone for some music? What about "Congratulations, and jubilations..."?
Post 563
WendyLadyofLothlorien
Date Posted: Tue Mar 2, 2004 1:01 am
The door of the Green Dragon Inn creaks open, and a dark, curly-haired head appears around the edge of the door...
Sam leaps to his feet and drags Wendy over to greet an old friend who we haven't seen in a while...
Frodo hugs Sam, and then turns to Wendy and smiles...
"Well, hello you, I haven't seen you in here in ages and ages...'tis lovely to see you again !!"
Wendy blushes and then gasps as the breath is fair knocked out of her by the force of Frodo's all encompassing hug...
"We're all celebrating the winning of some award or other, Mr Frodo, but I'm sure I don't know what it is exactly, though Miss Jewel would probably be able to set us right, wouldn't you Miss Jewel ??"
Sam looks questioningly at Jewel, who is ensconced at a table, not too far away from either the bar or the fire, champagne glass in one hand, and a handful of nachos in the other...
Jewel puts down her glass, and comes over to the door to greet Frodo...
"Wow, Frodo, you still know how to sweep a girl off her feet, don't you ??...Yes, Sam's right,we're celebrating the fact that your story of your Quest has won all eleven of the highest Awards that La-la-land can offer it...don't you think that is wonderful ??"
You are welcome Lidau, here ...have some champagne...
I watched the edited version on BBC1 last night...and couldn't help but be disappointed that I didn't stay up all night to watch their total victory, really...the edited version was lacking somewhat in the exciting build-up, I thought, ( inevitable, I suppose ! ) and what happened to Annie's voice when she was giving us "Into the West " ? It was not quite as uplifting as it should have been...maybe this is the difference between a digitally recorded rendition and the live version...
Still...the fact remains that Peter Jackson made mincemeat of their opposition and I think there will be a few well-deserved hangovers in Hollywood today !!!
Post 564
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Tue Mar 2, 2004 7:37 am
Froda enters the Dragon, looking tired but extremely happy.
Hey folks, I just got back from sunny California, and TORn's Oscar party! What a blast!
I'm going to be posting my reports over the next few days in my LJ, so keep a lookout!
Post 565
Shadowfax8
Date Posted: Tue Mar 2, 2004 1:26 pm
I'm BACK!!! And oh, what an experience!! SQUEE!!!!! I will be posting pics and reports as soon as I can get them done, but I wanted to share with you a few of the highlights! I have seen THE EYES!! Finally, I will have a hobbit encounter to post from myself that actually includes hobbits!! YAY!!! A quick list of the highlights of the evening: a kiss from John Rhys-Davies, holding Barrie Osborne's Oscar, watching Billy Boyd sing "Oh Jean" onstage, standing 3 feet away from Elijah Wood, an interview with Dom (huge grin), and watching ROTK win 11 Oscars amidst a crowd of 1000 screaming Tolkien fans!!! A good time was had by all!!! Details to follow!!!
Post 566
ConnieMarie
Date Posted: Tue Mar 2, 2004 3:10 pm
It's so good to see you, Shadow! And we are dying to hear your entire report, every detail, and Froda's, too!
The EYES? You saw THE EYES? Tell us about, why don't ya? Please, wax lyrical and DESCRIBE them for us. (But let us gather our swoon/thud pillows first.)
Post 567
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Tue Mar 2, 2004 3:43 pm
I'm afraid my report won't be nearly as interesting as Shadow's lol, since I was just in the peanut gallery so to speak. But it was definitely a night to remember!
Post 568
Marea
Date Posted: Tue Mar 2, 2004 5:44 pm
Well... I'm back (too).
And I must say... among the most wonderful moments I had this last weekend involved watching Shadow get within touching distance of "her" Ringbearer. And seeing her at long last get an opportunity to (in the most lady-like fashion imaginable) breathe in the same chilly evening air as Our Hobbit and (matter-of-factly)gaze at him with her OWN two (star struck but also beautifully made up) blue eyes....
You want lyrical Connie... you want poetry and picturesque language? How about a double dose of screamingly painful angst? Would that do? Cause there was a certain amount of disappointment (and even grief would not be too strong a word) alongside the euphoric joy that Oscar night. And quite a yarn if we tell the tale of the whole weekend (including elements as varied as meeting our wonderful local guide CaMinx yet again for me and the first time for Shadow, another viewing of ROTK as a group of squeeing fan-women in the elegant surroundings of the ArcLight Theater, forming an instant sisterhood of hobbit lovers over brunch at old Hollywood "industry" hangout Musso and Frank's, attending the Hall of Fire social Saturday night in the company of a startlingly accurate (albeit female) re-enactor of "Mordor Frodo" (partying with a starving, tortured grimy hobbit dressed in rags... hmmm...no this I did NOT expect), our transformation into glamour girls over the course of a couple of hours at the Glendale Galleria (Style Network - are you watching?), sharing stories of squee-age and hobbit encounter reports, and all of the the agonies and ectasies that go along with having SUCH a strong affection and devotion to this cast and crew at this SO poignant time in both their lives and ours.
(Lets put it this way... my all boy very heterosexual husband, while reviewing my pictures of the event, just HAD to (again) comment about the attractive glitter in Mr. Wood's eyes as he stood on the stage of the American Legion Hall... and...well whatsawiddat? He's talked about Elijah's eyes more in these last few years than he's talked about mine the whole time we were married! A girl could be JEALOUS do you think?)
You will laugh... you will cry... you will kiss a WHOLE lot of your time goodbye [if you read my report... cause I tend to not edit out even stupid picky details...especially when it concerns hobbits].
I have a feeling that Shadow (or Froda) will to beat me to a report on this. She is a much faster writer and less longwinded. I will probably content myself to putting in my personal impressions as well the stuff they (whether deliberately or not) leave out (LOL!).
Patience everyone... the story of our adventures is coming.
(And pass us some champagne, will you ladies? And afterward... the coffee? I feel another series of long nights in my future...)
It would make a rather impressive fanfic actually.
Post 569
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Tue Mar 2, 2004 6:05 pm
*Evil cackle* I think I might beat you both to it, as I brought a journal along with me, and wrote as I went along. It's so long, it's going up in installments lol. And of course, I'm going in order, so the best stuff is going to be last!
Post 570
ConnieMarie
Date Posted: Tue Mar 2, 2004 7:02 pm
Ooooo...Marea! Angst, eh? Oooooo.
I've heard a bit about SOME of what happened from the Woman Herself, but I am eagerly looking forward to your report. Here, champagne...with coffee to come!
Hey, I spent Oscar night at home with my kids, so your story has GOT to be better than MY story! *sits back ready to listen to the glamorous Hollywood girls fill us all in*
Post 571
Trasmerg38
Date Posted: Tue Mar 2, 2004 7:38 pm
*squeeeee* for Froda and Marea and Shadow (one who has seen the eyes!) Can't wait to hear all the details!!!
I sat glued to my set for two hours before the program in hopes to see a few pre-oscar interviews, and i wasn't disappointed. As the crowd got larger, the camera panned often to the glamerous star-studded crowd, and before long, not only did I see Joan Rivers interview Howard Shore, Ian McKellan, Liv Tyler (I loved her hair!) and Peter Jackson, she also talked with not one, not two, but ALL FOUR Hobbits!! WOOT!! I was a bit disappointed Billy was in slacks......Anywho, to make a long story short I thoroughly enjoyed the whole RotK-centric program, and what was more fun, my daughter was bored and asked to do my hair. So I let her, then she did my makeup...I should have put on something more elegant besides my sweatpants and t-shirt but there I was, all made up for the Academy Awards!!
Frodo came over when I mentioned hobbits and listened politely to the rest of my story.
"It sounds like you had a lovely time!" he said.
"Yes Frodo, a grand time!" I smiled back. "May I buy you a pint?"
He smiled broadly and said, "I'd like that very much!"
Post 572
Rosie_the_hobbit
Date Posted: Tue Mar 2, 2004 7:49 pm
SQUEEE!!!!
Shadow, Marea, and Froda I can't wait to see your reports. I spent the evening at a fun party hosted by another Ringer. It was alot of fun but nothing like TORN's party I'm sure. The only hobbits I saw were on TV. It was soooo good to see them get some recognition for a change.
Post 573
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Tue Mar 2, 2004 8:14 pm
Oh my Eru!!!
OK I do have a story from the party for you all. Me and my friend Jessica (GreenLeafLady here on TORC) were interviewed by a reporter from a San Diego newspaper for an article about the party. She asked us a few questions apiece, and told us to look for it online today. Well, today I ventured over to the newspaper's website and lo and behold, there at the end of the little piece about the party, I got quoted!!!!
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/features/pubeye.html
Scroll down past the birthdays!
Post 574
Tanwen_Luthien
Date Posted: Tue Mar 2, 2004 10:48 pm
Oh...my...GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
11!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!
That was great wasn't it?
Sean Astin was tearful at one point.
Every time the hobbits came on the screen, my sister and I would clap and cheer.
We also made a grab for the screen, and shrieked with delight.
Yes...
We love the hobbits.
Post 575
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Wed Mar 3, 2004 6:31 am
And here's day 1 all written up for your enjoyment!
http://www.livejournal.com/users/froda_baggins/94435.html
Post 576
Marea
Date Posted: Wed Mar 3, 2004 10:25 pm
Okay... don't have too much time for writing anything BUT Oscar reports, but I found this essay on LJ (Oselle's)... and I was so moved I HAD to go post it here.
Writing.. writing that report...
Oselle (oselle) wrote,
@ 2004-03-01 14:45:00
I find it difficult to be eloquent, since I'm still so overwhelmed. [Don't believe her... Marea] What I keep coming back to is this: that last night, the good guys finished first.
I don't think it's idealistic or biased to say that the people responsible for LoTR, cast and crew, are the good guys. Everyone who's worked with them says pretty much the same thing, and I'm certain it's genuine, not the usual Hollywood stroking. And they're not just good in the way they conduct themselves and their business, they're good in that they're so true to art. This group of people came together for the sake of art, and they gave it everything they had. Did they want to make a succesful picture that would enrich their careers and their bank accounts? Of course they did---no one goes into an endeavor this massive expecting to be unpaid and unrecognized for it. But what was evident amongst all of them, from the director to the actors to the guy linking chain mail, was that the art of what they were doing was the most important thing. The art was their quest, not the money or the statues.
And it was not just their commitment to their own art, but the sense of duty they had for the art that made all of this possible---the art of words. Nothing, none of this dazzling glory would have existed if one middle-aged and completely unglamorous man had not sat down at his dull desk and put pen to paper. Nothing. It boggles the mind to think of it, but it is the truth. And God bless them for knowing it.
Today, I find myself thinking of writers, and how little credit they often seem to get. Some time ago, I read an interview with an author, I believe it was Jonathan Franzen, in which he said that of all the arts, writing is the one that impresses people the least, since it just doesn't look all that hard. People look at dancers or musicians or painters or even athletes and are amazed by them, but writing? What's that...you sit down and write, so what? Anyone can do it. Some people think that if you read, you can write---what's the big mystery?
The mystery is that it is a mystery. Taking a blank page and conjuring a new reality out of it, one built solely of words, is downright supernatural. That it can be done at all is amazing. That it can be done as well as Tolkien did it almost defies belief. I take down my copy of Lord of the Rings and it's nothing, just words, just little black symbols on white paper. No cast, no crew, no special effects, no soundtrack, no glitz, no red carpet, just...words. And yet, without them, nothing else is possible. That, my friends, is a mystery of the highest order. A mystery that touches the Divine.
I've often wanted to say something about Tolkien as a holy man, but I haven't been able to find the right words (words, again!). I don't want to be misinterpreted as saying, "Tolkien was a good writer because he was a devout Catholic." But I do believe that Tolkien was able to write the way he did, was able to create something as inexplicably exquisite as Lord of the Rings because he was a holy man. Alas, I'm not sure that I myself know what I mean by that. Our concept of holiness is so muddled---we think that it means someone who goes to church a lot or works at the soup kitchen or sits in a cloister thinking deep theological thoughts. And while all of those things may be holy in their own way, what I mean, what I think I mean when I say Tolkien was holy, was that he was able to become a conduit for the Divine. This is a holiness based not in theology or good works but in the greatest humility, in utter transparency before the face of God. I think this sort of holiness is a gift, a grace, not something one can achieve through effort, because knowing about it and coveting it already puts it beyond your reach. But we can all strive for humilty, not pointless self-criticism, but true humility, the foundation of holiness...and I often wonder what it would mean to do that, especially for those who write.
Now here's something else: I think Elijah Wood is holy, too, in the same way. Oh, I can see your eyes rolling! "Oselle, you just think he's a hotass, that's why," or "Oselle, umm...this is the kid who was in Flipper, okay? Let's not get carried away." "Oselle's really wigged out this time!" All good points, and all true (maybe not the wigging out. I wigged out a long time ago, thank you.). But then I consider that this was an 18-year-old kid, who, despite his experience, had no formal education in the craft of acting, who knew nothing of this character or this story except what Peter Jackson told him, and who, from all appearances, is incredibly normal, well-balanced and cheerful. And yet, he was able to bring this character, this Frodo Baggins, to life with such subtlety, complexity and sheer beauty that I think his performance has been overlooked because people simply don't know what to say. That's talent, of course, but there's more to it, there has to be something more to it, because there are a great many talented actors in the world but I don't know of any who could have done this. It's grace, the grace of true holiness. Holiness, again, founded upon humility, the humility that is evident not just in his acting but in every way that he conducts himself.
So yes, last night, the good guys finished first. From Tolkien right down to Elijah, the good guys finished first, and holiness, mysterious and misunderstood though it is, had a hand in it. And now the world can get back to its usual track of unfairness, frustration and petty injustice, but not yet, not just yet. Let's savor this, for a little while longer, for the good guys, for the humble, for the holy, and for all the rest of us.
Beautiful, beautiful sentiments, agreed?
Sigh.
Post 577
Shadowfax8
Date Posted: Fri Mar 5, 2004 5:56 pm
Hobbit Encounter! Get your hobbit encounter right here!
Enjoy!
Post 578
froda_baggins
Date Posted: Fri Mar 5, 2004 6:55 pm
*Runs in* Day 3 up!
http://www.livejournal.com/users/froda_baggins/96208.html
Post 579
Trasmerg38
Date Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2004
Well, I haven't been to the Dragon in several days and thought I'd pop in for a pint but lo and behold seems like nobody's been around for several days!! Well, I'll have a pint anyways in cheers for the great reports by Froda and Shadow. Can't wait to see your pics, Froda!
Marea, thank you for posting Oselle's lovely report...but I'm dying to hear yours!!
Shadow, that was a most delicious report, I must say! I hate that you were sooooo close with no satisfaction, Elijah in grabbing distance and all, but to have Dom looking right at you with full attention answering your questions, well....... *swooooooooooooooon*
......oh, and then a kiss from John Rhys-Davies! How lovely is that!!
Well, since I'm only here for a brief visit, and also because my pint has been drained I will head on out...but I'll be back!
Post 580
WendyLadyofLothlorien
Date Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2004 7:08 am
Wendy enters the Green Dragon with a flourish, only to find it empty and cold, the dust lying thick on the tables...
"Well, well, where is everyone ? ...and where is Marea...we need her report to keep us going until we get our hands on the ROTK DVD, on May 25th...we need to hear about Our Dear Frodo and his alter-ego RL Partner, Lij..."
But sadly the door creaks on its hinges, and Wendy is speaking to empty air ...
Trasmerg,
Yes, it seems that everyone has again deserted the pub...Oh well, it's fairly inevitable really...the Trilogy has released it''s last film, gets its well-deserved accolades, and after all that excitement, everyone loses interest and gets on with their respective lives...
Here's something that might get your interest up slightly...
Here in the UK, we were treated to Elijah's appearance as a guest on the extremely funny, and risque "Graham Norton in New York" show, and as a double treat, John Malkovitch was the other guest too... Now, I don't know how many of you good ladies in the USA, are familiar with Our Graham's rather outre style ?...suffice to say that either you love wickedly camp humour or you are deeply irritated by it ...anyway, Elijah was well up for it, even outdoing Graham by pre-empting the inevitable references to the Frodo/Sam gay pairing, that is prevalent on various websites, by referring Graham to one particular site that features many Photoshop manipulations of Frodo and Sam in certain positions...it was hilarious...even Graham was shocked, and believe me when I say that it takes a LOT to shock him...he's the one usually doing the shocking !!!
Elijah held his own in the onslaught of innuendo and playacting that followed, and, once again, proved that he is a master at the interviewing game...I've often thought that I'd love to see how he coped with Graham's show, being SO SO British in its humour - shocking, witty, camp, and utterly irreverent, and I got my wish last night...
Hurray !!!
As for this show being screened in the US, don't hold your breath and assume that BBC America will show it just because they ARE showing Graham Norton shows at the moment...the shows they are screening were done two years ago for the BBC, whereas last night's show was done for independent TV company, Channel 4, who, unsurprisingly are very unlikely to allow BBC America to show it when they can sell it to the highest bidder in the US itself...( Comedy Central seems a likely candidate at the moment )
Anyway, I'm really looking forward to reading the rest of your reports from the Oscar parties, ( especially your's, Marea ), and I hope everyone else, on this thread, is well and happy...
Post 581
Tinewen
Hobbit Friend
Date Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2004 4:53 am
Hello fellow, Dragon drinkers!!! I felt somewhat guilty reading Wendy's post, not having visited here for a while so I thought I'd pop in and have a couple of quiet drinks.
Wendy, do you know of anywhere that might have clips of that show you were talking about? Here in Australia we don't get that show on our local stations and I don't have Pay TV. It sounds as though it was very entertaining!
I hope you are busy writing your report Marea and that you will soon have it posted or you might find that we are too drunk to read it by the time you've finished it. (Hint, hint)
And thank to Shadow and Froda (yes, I am VERY jealous that you got to go to the Oscar Party ) but if I couldn't go then reading about your experiences certainly is a good second best.
I am still in awe, Shadow, over your amazing self control - three feet from Elijah - no drooling or squeeing!!
Tin
Post 582
WendyLadyofLothlorien
Date Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2004 11:12 am
Tinewen,
Yes, it's very quiet indeed at the Green Dragon Inn these days, however I'll bet that everyone is secretly lurking...aren't you everyone ?!!
As for the Graham Norton Show clips....you need to go here :-
G.N.Clips
Just scroll down the news column a little and you'll come to them...
Well, the ROTK DVD is going to be released at the end of May now, and so, as The One Husband is going to be stomping along Hadrian's Wall, with a friend who thinks he ought to have been a Roman soldier in a previous life, , I thought I'd celebrate by holding my very own Trilogy Party for all my UK Co-Haremites at Khazaddum.com....how I wish I could do the same for everyone I chat with on these websites....but alas, most of you are lurking thousands of miles away, in both directions....so I won't !!!
Anyway, I thought we'd start off around 12 noon-ish, with some Hobbity lunch-type food, sausages and mushrooms, in a good wholegrain mustard sauce accompanied by baked potatoes, with some good Somerset cider, of course, while we watch "Fellowship of the Ring"...to set us up for the marathon to come...
Then perhaps we'll have a half-hour break, to recover from the goodness that is FOTR, and to prepare ourselves for the stress of TTT...well, that will take us up to 4 pm !!
Then we'll watch The Two Towers until 8pm, and by that time, we'll be hungry again, and I think that we'll be in the mood for something snacky and finger-foodish - like pizza slices with plenty of pepperoni and cheese etc...and plenty of cider, of course ( or maybe I'll try out some of the LOTR recipes at TORN...)
Then the final round...the new DVD of course...Return of the King will take us to around 1 am....and then to bed....tired but definitely happy !!!
Good plan ??
Post 583
Trasmerg38
Date Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2004 7:30 am
Wendy, that's an awesome plan!!! I want to come!!! *whine* Ok, I'd like some cheese with my whine....
Honestly, that sounds lovely, I hope you have a wonderful time...scratch that, I know you'll have a wonderful time!
Ok, maybe this bit of spoiling will bring around a few more lurkers! I found it reading an interview of Viggo Mortensen about his movie Hidalgo:
Warning...EE DVD spoilers ahead:
[interviewer] You must be delighted to get the "Houses of the Healing" sequence back into the "Return of the King" Extended Edition.
[Viggo] Well, I don't know what's in there. But if (Peter Jackson's) adding 45 or 50 minutes, as I hear, I would be surprised if that wasn't in there.
There's a lot more material before the "Paths of the Dead," and I don't know if he's using it or not. I hope he is. There's stuff that helps Miranda Otto's character and Karl Urban's character, and Dominic Monaghan's. I would think "Houses of Healing" is probably a given because it's such an important part of the book, and I really did honestly miss it.
end of spoilage
Drinks are on me, for whoever shows up!
edit for clarification
2nd edit to thank Wendy for the link....i'm on my way to check it out now!!
Post 584
Marea
Date Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 4:28 pm
I'll take one of those Honey Apple Home brews (a SMALL one mind you!) and will do an advance toast for the Extended Edition.
May it fill all the important gaps and make us fall in love with ROTK all over again...
* gulp *
Post 585
Damalur-sol
Date Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 6:03 pm
Well, if the drinks are on Traz I'm going to have to come out of hiding and mooch.
No Houses of Healing? Perish the thought!
*cheers*
Post 586
Tinewen
Hobbit Friend
Date Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2004 5:20 am
Wendy thank you very much for that link. That Graham Norton guy certainly has a wicked sense of humour! I hadn't come across that site before either so that was another one to add to my list!
My friend and I have also decided to have a Trilogy Day after the DVD comes out. I'm really looking forward to it because I haven't had the opportunity to see all three in the cinema.
Traz - thanks too for the EE DVD spoilers. When I think of how lucky we were to get the extra footage in the last two EE's and how rounded out the story was.......I can't wait to see what an extra 45-50 minutes will do for ROTK. On second thoughts I can wait because after that there won't be anything else to look forward to. Must try not to think about that.
Now that I feel all sad again I'd better take Traz up on her free drinks offer and cheer myself up a bit. (See what happens Traz - free drinks and in we come! )
Post 587
WendyLadyofLothlorien
Date Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 11:56 am
See...I knew you were all lurking around here somewhere !!
Tras...
I want to come!!! *whine* Ok, I'd like some cheese with my whine....
Of course, you're very welcome to come...the more the merrier !!!
and we have plenty of cheese !!
Yes, I'm really looking forward to that weekend.....hmmmm - lots of sexy, angsty Frodo, for eleven hours or thereabouts...in the company of other Frodo-fans...with plenty of Hobbity food and drink, and loads of good laughs ...what more could I want ?
( Don't answer that !! )
Post 588
Rosie_the_hobbit
Date Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 5:09 pm
Rosie walks into the Dragon, clutching a stack of papers. It’s been a while since she’s visited, having been busy with other things, but the time has been well spent. She notices Marea and Tinewen across the room. A shy smile plays at the corners of her mouth as she sits down at the table with them, setting the papers down in front of her.
I’ve long enjoyed the wonderful creations by my fellow kitchen ladies. It’s been a long time in coming, but I finally have something of my own to contribute. So here it is, my very first fanfic. I hope you enjoy it.
Alone
Post 589
Trasmerg38
Date Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2004 8:26 pm
Traz uncerimoniously blew her nose and wiped the tears from her eyes.
Oh Rosie, that was beautiful! And your first fic, too! Bravo!! I enjoyed it very much to answer your question.
Traz orders another pint and begins flipping through the pages for a second reading before handing them over to the next patron.
Post 590
JewelSong
Date Posted: Wed Mar
Good morning, all! It's too early for an ale (No such thing, I hear Pippin say under his breath...) so - looking pointedly in Pippin's general direction - I will settle for a nice hot mug of strong coffee and maybe a sugar bun.
This is a general invitation to all and sundry! I am going to be attending the 2:00pm performance of Howard Shore's LOTR Symphony on Saturday, June 5 in Atlanta, Georgia. I plan on making a day trip - flying down early and back late.
So...I was wondering if anyone else might be attending, or might consider attending and would like to get together before or after the concert. To - you know - eat and drink and talk and stuff.
Last I looked, there were still tickets available for this performance, although they seem to be going fast. However, it is often possible to get a single ticket when everything else seems sold out.
What say you? It'll be an adventure - and a wonderful opportunity to hear a wonderful piece of music - conducted by the composer!
Email me at jewelsong@rcn.com!
Post 591
Trasmerg38
Date Posted: Mon Apr 5, 2004 3:49 pm
My goodness, business at the Dragon has been slow!
Well, I'm here to share a couple things. First of all, the first of four new poems I've written is now posted in the Reading Room, here!
Second, my daughter has been promoted to department manager at WalMart where she works! She's so excited, as well as her mom. I told her we should celebrate...she already started with a bacardi malt drink of some sort. So I decided to head over here for a pint or two.
Jewel, oh I'm soooo excited for you! I would LOVE to see Howard Shore! Atlanta is drivable for me, but unless a rich uncle dies and leave me an inheritance, I'm stuck at home! I know you'll have a wonderful time!
Post 592
JewelSong
Date Posted: Mon Apr 5, 2004 4:07 pm
Ah, c'mon, Traz. It ain't THAT expensive! And you should still be able to get a single ticket! C'mon...live a little!
Your poems are lovely! I think it is wonderful how these movies and books have awakened so many dormant muses, mine included. And how we have the Green Dragon and the Kitchen to come and share! We are truly blessed...
Wishing you all a happy and holy Passover, Easter and beginning of the season of spring...nature's annual miracle!
Post 593
Trasmerg38
Date Posted: Mon Apr 5, 2004 7:06 pm
Thanks Jewel! I have to say the same for your poems and songs, Especially Hero's Song! I agree how wonderful it is to see so much talent blossom because of the inspiration of Tolkien!
*raises pint to all who have written stories/poems, drawn pictures, played music, or attempted to do any of the above*
As for "living a little", I have to spread those out a bit...it wasn't too long ago that I went to DragonCon...and although I said it was drivable, it's still about 9 1/2 to 10 hour drive, and the gas alone would wipe me out... But who knows, I never give up hope! If that slim chance turns into reality, I'll catch up with you at the concert!!
Post 594
Trasmerg38
Date Posted: Wed Apr 7, 2004 7:09 pm
Jewel!!! Well, my slim chance turned into reality, thanks to a wonderful benefactor!! Samaranth has bought me a ticket to see Howard Shore, as long as I can get myself over there....she couldn't go herself, so she asked me to go for her! Well, I found a way, so I'm GOING!!
Sam, you are so awesome! Thank you so very much! I don't know how I'll ever repay you! {{{{{{{Sam}}}}}}}}
Better yet, let me buy you a pint. Or two. Three even! And for you too, Jewel!! I'll finally meet you, and hear your songs in person!
Traz starts dancing around the pub, humming Hey Ho to the bottle I go, much to the amusement of Pippin who finishes his pint and joins her crazy dance.
Yes, it's high time to liven things up around here!!!
Grabs Pippin by the hand and twirls him round and round
Post 595
JewelSong
Date Posted: Thu Apr 8, 2004 1:52 am
That is SO awesome, Traz!